Quinton "Ramapage" Jackson arrested [Archive]

MarkSikora

07-15-2008, 08:00 PM

Nothing to crazy, but definitley nothing a professional athlete should be doing

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-071508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Chris,

I have to disagree with you.

1. Leaving the scene of an accident is crazy.

2. Running/driving/trying to get away from the 5-0 is crazy.

3. Running your truck down to the rims is crazy.

4. Getting in a police pursuit with gas at $4.50 (diesal is aroudn 5 bucks) or so a gallon is crazy.

5. Driving a f350 unless you are towing something is crazy.

6. A black dude evading the cops in NEWPORT BEACH?? That is damn crazy!!!

Rampage is lucky he did not die from lead poisoning after that stupid fest.

see ya

Mark

:LOL: :LOL:

Matt Stiefel

07-15-2008, 10:04 PM

Chris,

I have to disagree with you.

1. Leaving the scene of an accident is crazy.

2. Running/driving/trying to get away from the 5-0 is crazy.

3. Running your truck down to the rims is crazy.

4. Getting in a police pursuit with gas at $4.50 (diesal is aroudn 5 bucks) or so a gallon is crazy.

5. Driving a f350 unless you are towing something is crazy.

6. A black dude evading the cops in NEWPORT BEACH?? That is damn crazy!!!

Rampage is lucky he did not die from lead poisoning after that stupid fest.

see ya

Mark

:LOL: :LOL:

Especially when your truck has a huge picture of yourself on the side.

This is the best picture I could find of his truck.

Kalle Beck

07-15-2008, 10:50 PM

tmz has pics

As TMZ first reported, the just-defeated UFC champ was busted this afternoon for alleged felony hit and run. Now we have the details -- and they're insane! Rampage was on the 55 Freeway in the O.C., hit two cars and got off the freeway. The chase was on.

Rampage then began driving on the center divider. But it gets worse. According to the police report, Jackson then drove on the sidewalk, "causing pedestrians to flee for their lives." He started driving the wrong way on a crowded street, colliding with yet another car in an intersection. As he continued on, running several red lights, his tire disintegrated and he began driving on the rim.

Rampage eventually got to the exclusive Balboa Peninsula in Newport Beach, where he again drove on the sidewalk, "causing pedestrians to flee in terror."

Eventually, his car came to a stop and he was taken into custody at gunpoint. Cops took him to the Orange County Jail, but they determined he was "medically unfit" to be booked. Cops won't say if he was high.

Rampage is currently in an O.C. hospital.

http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/rampage_arrested#22703

wth........

Ryan Bakke

07-15-2008, 11:47 PM

Nothing to crazy, but definitley nothing a professional athlete should be doing

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-071508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

LOL....wtf is "crazy" then?

Josh Kamins

07-16-2008, 12:35 AM

I saw my buddy earlier tonight and he starts telling me this story. His brother just called him and told him he saw this guy do a hit and run, swerving in and out of traffic, so he called the cops. Turns out it was Rampage.... oops

Matt Schumann

07-16-2008, 01:44 AM

So I wonder if toyo tires will fire him or pay him more for the publicity....

Then again the tire was flat.... and fell off:p

Mark A Cummings

07-16-2008, 05:04 AM

Nothing to crazy, but definitley nothing a professional athlete should be doing

No one has asked the first question that popped into my head. What would you define as too crazy Chris?

Kurt Hessenbruch

07-16-2008, 05:05 AM

Let's see if Dana deals with Rampage any differently than he did Jesse Taylor after his drunken meltdown on TUF.

Eric Johnson

07-16-2008, 07:12 AM

Let's see if Dana deals with Rampage any differently than he did Jesse Taylor after his drunken meltdown on TUF.

Exactly. It will be interesting to see if Dana sides with the Money or the Image?

Kevin Klavetter

07-16-2008, 07:20 AM

JimPierce

07-16-2008, 07:39 AM

well since Dana flew out to post bail that tells you something about how he will handle it

Mark A Cummings

07-16-2008, 07:44 AM

Big difference on how much slack a former champion gets as opposed to a new guy wanna be. This is true in any sport or even the real world of jobs. A proven performer should get better treatment than a rookie, as it should be.

Kevin, are you talking about how much slack an athlete should get from their sport/team owner? Or are you talking about a proven performer should get better treatment from the legal system based on their status as an athlete? Not trying to be argumentative, just your statement wasn't clear to me who you feel they should be getting a break from.

chrisklavette

07-16-2008, 07:51 AM

Crazy is jumping off a 3 story high bridge and deciding to land on your feet. Crazy is blindly jetting off into the street with a bus blocking your view. Crazy is being a 13 year old kid on probation and beating the hell out of a city bus driver because he wants proper fair. Sorry, I just got off a 48 on the east side. Oh yeah, working a 48 in east St. Paul, crazy.

I don't think K-Fed was saying Rampage should get special treatment, but rather, Rampage WILL get special treatment since he is a cash cow for the UFC.

BTW, what Rampage did was stupid, but not kill your wife and her boyfriend crazy.

Stu Christensen

07-16-2008, 08:03 AM

What I want to know is what kind of egotistical person puts a huge photo of themselves on their daily driver vehicle???

Kevin Klavetter

07-16-2008, 08:07 AM

Kevin, are you talking about how much slack an athlete should get from their sport/team owner? Or are you talking about a proven performer should get better treatment from the legal system based on their status as an athlete? Not trying to be argumentative, just your statement wasn't clear to me who you feel they should be getting a break from.

Mark I was saying different treatment from your boss (in this case the UFC) not the legal system. By all means equal treatment under the law is critical to the creditability of the legal system but in California it is seldom happens with celebrities.

Kevin Cronin

07-16-2008, 08:20 AM

What I want to know is what kind of egotistical person puts a huge photo of themselves on their daily driver vehicle???

Probably someone who until 11 days ago was teh face of their organization and recognizes that their income will be directly tied to their ability to successfully promote themselves ... or something like that.

Kurt Hessenbruch

07-16-2008, 08:24 AM

Big difference on how much slack a former champion gets as opposed to a new guy wanna be. This is true in any sport or even the real world of jobs. A proven performer should get better treatment than a rookie, as it should be.

I agree. I was just posing the question. I love Rampage and would hate to see him get the "Jesse Taylor Treatment", which I think is highly unlikely, anyhow. The slam-from-triangle on Arona made me a fan for life.

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Ryan Bakke

07-16-2008, 08:59 AM

BTW, what Rampage did was stupid, but not kill your wife and her boyfriend crazy.

true....just "almost" kill lots of wives and kids and possible pooches on a afternoon stroll. not quite as bad

Justin Blake

07-16-2008, 09:08 AM

I agree. I was just posing the question. I love Rampage and would hate to see him get the "Jesse Taylor Treatment", which I think is highly unlikely, anyhow. The slam-from-triangle on Arona made me a fan for life.

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the "jesse taylor treatment" doesnt exist, as i think he is already signed to fight this saturday. Unless that is a different Jesse? so when dana told him he wasnt ready, he meant for a couple weeks...

Kurt Hessenbruch

07-16-2008, 09:17 AM

the "jesse taylor treatment" doesnt exist, as i think he is already signed to fight this saturday. Unless that is a different Jesse? so when dana told him he wasnt ready, he meant for a couple weeks...

Just checked the card and it is, indeed, his pic on the UFC site. That's hysterical! Way to make an example of him, Dana!

Justin Blake

07-16-2008, 09:20 AM

Just checked the card and it is, indeed, his pic on the UFC site. That's hysterical! Way to make an example of him, Dana!

yeah, i thought that was hilarious!

Chris Dwyer

07-16-2008, 09:37 AM

You might be crazy if:

- You are making millions as a fighter in the UFC, and
- You drive a huge a$$ truck with a picture of yourself painted on it, and
- You hit 2 cars and keep driving, and
- You try to outrun the cops in said car with your picture on it, and
- You drive on the sidewalk with pedestrians present while the cops are chasing you, and
- You are driving on your rim because your tire blew out, and
- The cops are still chasing you, and
- You are driving on the wrong side of the road, and
- You have a career making millions from the UFC and sponsors, and
- You are drving a truck with one of your main sponsors on it, and
- That car still has your picture on it, and
- You are a celebrity, and
- The cops are still chasing you, and
- The cops are getting angry about having to chase you by now, and
- You still think maybe you can get away with it.

Feel free to substitute stupid for crazy.

Mark A Cummings

07-16-2008, 09:43 AM

Mark I was saying different treatment from your boss (in this case the UFC) not the legal system. By all means equal treatment under the law is critical to the creditability of the legal system but in California it is seldom happens with celebrities.

Gotcha! Thats what I figured you meant.

Scott Kaiser

07-16-2008, 09:56 AM

[/QUOTE]the "jesse taylor treatment" doesnt exist, as i think he is already signed to fight this saturday. Unless that is a different Jesse? so when dana told him he wasnt ready, he meant for a couple weeks...[QUOTE]

You're right about the a couple weeks as far as fighting but they finshed filming a few months ago so hopefully jesse has gotten some treatment and understanding of his problems in this "down" time and we get to watch him dry hump his way to another decision victory or get his face bashed in I really don't care which way this one goes

David Paaluhi

07-16-2008, 10:54 AM

tell me one person that has never made a stupid decision or done something crazy before.

Scott Kaiser

07-16-2008, 10:58 AM

There are lots of people who follow the laws of the land but for some reason you don't hear about them Don't try and justify hit and run by saying everyone has done something dumb

Matt Schumann

07-16-2008, 11:00 AM

then again.... Jesse Taylor is fighting in the ufc this weekend. So either way, it wont be that bad for Rampage....

Unless he goes to jail lol

Exactly. It will be interesting to see if Dana sides with the Money or the Image?

Chris Dwyer

07-16-2008, 11:30 AM

tell me one person that has never made a stupid decision or done something crazy before.

He's 30 years old. You think this is OK?

CharlesDMickey

07-16-2008, 12:28 PM

chrisklavette

07-16-2008, 12:45 PM

For anyone to think this is some how "not that crazy" or "just a dumb decision" you are wrong! Check your priorities! Time to wake up! Stop measuring acceptability based on the crap that our societies non-thinkers are will to take!
O.K. I never said what Rampage did wasn't stupid as hell. I never said these things were in the least way acceptable or safe. And I sure as hell never condoned these actions.
But, what I truly meant by "crazy" is more in how these crimes will effect Rampage. At the end of the trial my guess is he will still have a job, still have a strong career even, still have tons of cash, still have all his freedoms, and will have done 0 days in jail. I can ALMOST guarantee it. How many celebrities have gotten in a fight, beat there spouse, been intoxicated while driving, been caught with drugs, been accused of felonies, been proven to be immoral people and STILL have strong or stronger careers? We live in a country where making a sex tape, getting a DUI, killing your spouse, being caught with drugs, visiting presidents of enemy nations and bad mouthing America, selling out POW's during a time of war makes you more famous. So IN COMPARISON what Jackson did is not mind blowing or jaw dropping.

IMO, should he be incarcerated? Yes. But we should also have a lot more celebrities in prison for much worse crimes.

And to answer David,
Myself, I have made bad decisions. One, using the word crazy in my original post. But nothing as bad as what Jackson has done.

lhprop1

07-16-2008, 01:00 PM

Unless he goes to jail lol

Dude, it's L.A. It's the same town where Lindsey Lohan tried running over people while smashed out of her gourd and she got a slap on the wrist. It's the same town where Mel Gibson went on and anti-semitic rant while driving drunk and just got a DWI. It's the town where OJ Simpson . . . I'll stop there.

A little bit of celebrity goes a long way in L.A. and "Page" is a celebrity, albeit a minor one. His punishment will be minor.

Kurt Hessenbruch

07-16-2008, 01:01 PM

Poor Chris is taking an unjustified beating on this. For what it's worth, Chris, I didn't take your "not too crazy" comment as a show of support for picking off pedestrians.

CharlesDMickey

07-16-2008, 01:18 PM

Chris, my rant wasn’t directed solely at you. Sorry if I came off that way. But as I was reading the thread I got the impression that some may truly think this is not a serious issue. So yeah, I got spun up a bit.

It's scary in that our society is willing to accept behavior like this. Unfortunately we do not concern ourselves with bad behaviors until it affects us directly. But then it's too late.

MarkSikora

07-16-2008, 06:32 PM

Speaking of bad behaviour:

One time, at band camp......... :FF:

Jonathan Macfarlane

07-16-2008, 09:34 PM

Lol at this thread.

Keith Stenerson

07-16-2008, 09:47 PM

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David Paaluhi

07-16-2008, 10:48 PM

David Paaluhi

07-16-2008, 10:55 PM

I've made plenty of dumb decision and done some things that are absolutely reprehensible.

But it gets stepped up a BIG notch when a dumb decision puts other's life at risk. Like Ryan points out; he could have easily killed someone's mother/father/child - Then what?

For anyone to think this is some how "not that crazy" or "just a dumb decision" you are wrong! Check your priorities! Time to wake up! Stop measuring acceptability based on the crap that our societies non-thinkers are will to take!

People put other people lives in danger all the time. I know you have gone over the speed limit some times in your life and that is putting people's lives in danger? what's the difference? If this was just a normal person, would their have been this whole thread about that person, no. Just because he's famous everyone wants to rag on him. People make mistakes, MOD EDIT!. Live with it.

Scott Markowitz

07-16-2008, 10:56 PM

Who are you people to judge Quinton Jackson.

Who knows, somebody on this forum might be on his jury. :D

Besides, your premise is flawed. I wasn't in 1930s and 40s Germany, yet I know Hitler was evil. I wasn't in the Soviet Union during Lenin and Stalin, yet I know they were evil. I've never met Fred Phelps, yet I know he and his cult are nuts. I wasn't in SoCal to see Rampage go nuts, yet I know he went nuts.

(Before someone points it out, I realize that the Hitler/Lenin/Stalin references are a bit much, but they do illustrate my point that one need not be an eyewitness to something to judge its nature.)

chrisklavette

07-16-2008, 10:59 PM

some people should worry about themselves and stop critizing someone else. Who are you people to judge Quinton Jackson. The news blows things up and nobody on this forum was their to actually witness the whole thing go down.
Blow things up? I have NEVER had a situation where the police felt a need to draw their weapons and make me get face down on the pavement. I'm pretty sure you get that kind of treatment when you screw up real bad.

Josh Kamins

07-16-2008, 11:32 PM

Yeah, I like Quinton, he's hilarious...but a hit and run is not the same as a speeding ticket. He was weaving in and out of traffic, hit a car, hurt some people...not too cool...

Felony hit and run, felony evading police, etc. Not common things...and yes I talked to an eye witness about it

Jonathan Macfarlane

07-16-2008, 11:51 PM

some people should worry about themselves and stop critizing someone else. Who are you people to judge Quinton Jackson. The news blows things up and nobody on this forum was their to actually witness the whole thing go down.

A public figure and role model (yes, UFC fighters are role models), got in an oversized truck, smashed into some unwitting drivers, resisted the police (who try keep us safe), and then narrowly missed hitting pedestrians going about their day to day lives.

Obviously you don't care, Dave. Would you care if people you loved and cared for were injured as a result of his actions? Sure you would.

Can we 'judge' him for what he did? Absolutely, within reason. Something as small as deciding to support another fighter instead of Rampage, would count as 'judging' him. Surely that's ok?

Jay O'Neill

07-16-2008, 11:56 PM

Who knows, somebody on this forum might be on his jury. :D

Besides, your premise is flawed. I wasn't in 1930s and 40s Germany, yet I know Hitler was evil. I wasn't in the Soviet Union during Lenin and Stalin, yet I know they were evil. I've never met Fred Phelps, yet I know he and his cult are nuts. I wasn't in SoCal to see Rampage go nuts, yet I know he went nuts.

(Before someone points it out, I realize that the Hitler/Lenin/Stalin references are a bit much, but they do illustrate my point that one need not be an eyewitness to something to judge its nature.)

Awesome Post!

Kevin Cronin

07-17-2008, 08:12 AM

We live in a country where making a sex tape, getting a DUI, killing your spouse, being caught with drugs, visiting presidents of enemy nations and bad mouthing America, selling out POW's during a time of war makes you more famous.
How is making a sex tape anywhere near as bad as any of those other things?

A public figure and role model (yes, UFC fighters are role models),
I would argue that someone who chooses their role models based solely on that person's fame has some seriously mod-edited-up values in the first place.

CharlesDMickey

07-17-2008, 08:34 AM

chrisklavette

07-17-2008, 08:57 AM

How is making a sex tape anywhere near as bad as any of those other things?

I never said it was. Making a sex tape and releasing it is on the list of things people have been doing as of late to make themselves more famous. IMO Not a sound moral act.

Kevin Cronin

07-17-2008, 09:01 AM

Just seemed strange to include an innocuous, private act* with stuff that is unquestionably reprehensible, like spousal abuse.

*(although I agree, lots of those "leaks" and "thefts" seem fishy - although it's worth pointing out that another important distinction is that if they are being leaked, it's done for the EXPRESS purpose of generating buzz and fame, whereas reckless driving and spousal abuse isnt done with that intent, even if it does in the end have that effect [/tangent])

Ryan Bracewell

07-17-2008, 09:09 AM

Personally I could care less about this guy. I am sick of all these athletes that think they can do whatever they want. Its crap. I am also tired of people like Rampage that either act dumb or really are dumb getting famous. Younger people see how they act & talk, then imitate them creating more idiots. Have you guys seen him in interviews? I am no genius, but compared to him I look like Einstein.

Mark A Cummings

07-17-2008, 09:22 AM

People put other people lives in danger all the time. I know you have gone over the speed limit some times in your life and that is putting people's lives in danger? what's the difference? If this was just a normal person, would their have been this whole thread about that person, no. Just because he's famous everyone wants to rag on him. People make mistakes, MOD EDIT!. Live with it.

Accidentally put the trash bag in the recycling bin this morning, oops, made a mistake. Turned the wrong way down a one way street after I got lost, oops, made a mistake. Tried squatting a PR without a spotter, oops, BIG mistake! I hit a car and then left the scene, ran from the police by driving on the sidewalk and the wrong way on a highway, smashed a few more cars and then thought "Oh, my picture is on the side of my truck, they probably know who I am. I think I'll stop here. Wow! I didn't make a mistake, I'm an IDIOT!"

Equating fudging the speed limit with reckless disregard for human life is not a fair correlation. Celebrity or not, I would rag him anyway because he did something STUPID! Its not a mistake to run from the police, its not a "bad decision". Its stupid. Especially when your picture is plastered on the side of the vehicle. I don't watch UFC much either, but I know of the guy. I know he's a celebrity and will most likely get a slap on the wrist. It doesn't change the fact that he's an idiot for doing what he did. So, lets all go out and get us some logging chain to wear around our neck and get our pictures pasted on the sides of our vehicle, because that is definitely what makes him a cool guy!

chrisklavette

07-17-2008, 09:48 AM

Just seemed strange to include an innocuous, private act* with stuff that is unquestionably reprehensible, like spousal abuse.

Younger people see how they act & talk, then imitate them creating more idiots.

And when a 16 year old girl wants to become popular like Kim Kardashian. Said 16 year old girl creates a lot of little idiots.

I have never had a fondness for these girls getting celebrity status by being skanky. But, now that I have a daughter I have a real disdain for the way these "socialites" act.

Ryan Bakke

07-17-2008, 10:22 AM

Scott Kaiser

07-17-2008, 11:02 AM

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4824/report-quinton-jackson-picked-up-again-by-police.mma

Hope he hasn't completely lost his grip on reality. :eek:

David Paaluhi

07-17-2008, 11:37 AM

everybody sounds like a bunch of girls on here.

dronga

07-17-2008, 11:42 AM

everybody sounds like a bunch of girls on here.

I'm sure you would'nt be saying that if your family was the one jumping off the sidewalk, and out of the way of that abortion of a truck! Please get a grip on reality! Your posts are comical and immature at best!

Kevin Cronin

07-17-2008, 12:12 PM

And when a 16 year old girl wants to become popular like Kim Kardashian. Said 16 year old girl creates a lot of little idiots.

I have never had a fondness for these girls getting celebrity status by being skanky. But, now that I have a daughter I have a real disdain for the way these "socialites" act.
Don't see your point here chris. If you have a problem with society making media stars out of people who havent actually accomplished anything, that's one thing but you're still equating an act that two consenting adults can do with an ASSAULT, for goodness sakes.

There's nothing wrong with making a sex tape. If some of those celebrities were responsible for the public release - and I have no doubt they were - that is, shall we say, a bit unclassy. It says a lot about society's "morals" today performing a natural human act on screen is somehow equated to rampant disregard for others' well-being. And yes, I can understand that any father would probably not want his daughter on a sex tape - but would getting liquored up and killing someone in a car accident be preferable?

Jay O'Neill

07-17-2008, 12:40 PM

everybody sounds like a bunch of girls on here.

Well then Why don't I just Ban you and you can go a forum that better suits your temperment and Manhood....?

Mark A Cummings

07-17-2008, 01:10 PM

I'm sure you would'nt be saying that if your family was the one jumping off the sidewalk, and out of the way of that abortion of a truck! Please get a grip on reality! Your posts are comical and immature at best!

Dronga, you sound like a comical, immature girl! So does that guy Jay O'Neil. Everybody sounds like girls! I think we should all move to Hawaii and drive on the sidewalks like all the other girls there. At least if we do it down there its considered at most a mistake, like fudging on the speed limit. All the girls on here should put their picture on the side of their ride!!!

Mike Zylinski

07-17-2008, 01:47 PM

Don't see your point here chris. If you have a problem with society making media stars out of people who havent actually accomplished anything, that's one thing but you're still equating an act that two consenting adults can do with an ASSAULT, for goodness sakes.

Kev, I think you're taking Chris' original post and stretching it out way beyond what he actually wrote. Reread his post:

Originally Posted by chrisklavette
We live in a country where making a sex tape, getting a DUI, killing your spouse, being caught with drugs, visiting presidents of enemy nations and bad mouthing America, selling out POW's during a time of war makes you more famous.

When I read that, it means in America:
make a sex tape = more famous
caught with drugs = more famous
etc.........

Everything he wrote is TRUE. He never equated the act of making a sex tape with the act of spousal abuse or murder, he pointed out that people in the USA can become famous for rather non-standard reasons (compared to the rest of the world).

Also, its hard for me to see how making a tape, leaking it to the media, pretending it was 'stolen' from a safe, and 'settling' with a distribution company while signing a reality deal is a 'innocuous, PRIVATE act' :D

(Hollywood celebs always seem to buy the most useless safes)

Chris makes a great point that Rampage will probably get a relatively light punishment, and will suffer little professional effects from this. Look at the reception that greeted Mike Tyson, we love a freak show!

CharlesDMickey

07-17-2008, 01:55 PM

everybody sounds like a bunch of girls on here.

There are plenty of boards out there where the guys are '"real men". Maybe try one of those...

David Paaluhi

07-17-2008, 02:33 PM

chrisklavette

07-17-2008, 02:36 PM

Don't see your point here chris.
I can understand that any father would probably not want his daughter on a sex tape - but would getting liquored up and killing someone in a car accident be preferable?

If my kid did what Rampage did I would be greatly disappointed and pissed. Furthermore, if I ever found out my daughter ever slept with a guy (or guys) or got skanky because she felt that promiscuousness was the norm and made a girl more popular I would feel the same. At the end of the day sleeping around for popularity and reckless driving are both VERY dangerous and stupid. Either way you could get very hurt, die, or at the least end up being a person who receives no respect.

Mike, you digested my post exactly the way I meant for it to be received.

Jay O'Neill

07-17-2008, 02:42 PM

aww did i offend some people...I just hate how people judge people they don't even know. Quinton Jackson is a great guy that just made a huge mistake. This doesn't give people the right to talk down on him and stereotype athletes.

the only thing that is offensive is your ignorance. Read the posts. Rampage is an awesome... Yes! He made a very stupid mistake and continued a cascade of stupid mistakes.

CharlesDMickey

07-17-2008, 02:56 PM

the only thing that is offensive is your ignorance. .

Oh, come on Jay. Remember the first rule of business: Hire a teenager; while they still know EVERYTHING!

Kevin Cronin

07-17-2008, 03:04 PM

Everything he wrote is TRUE. He never equated the act of making a sex tape with the act of spousal abuse or murder, he pointed out that people in the USA can become famous for rather non-standard reasons (compared to the rest of the world).

Also, its hard for me to see how making a tape, leaking it to the media, pretending it was 'stolen' from a safe, and 'settling' with a distribution company while signing a reality deal is a 'innocuous, PRIVATE act' :D

(Hollywood celebs always seem to buy the most useless safes)

Chris makes a great point that Rampage will probably get a relatively light punishment, and will suffer little professional effects from this. Look at the reception that greeted Mike Tyson, we love a freak show!
Come on Mike, it's equated by the inclusion. If ALL Chris was doing was listing stuff that make one famous he could've added a dozen others - making money, inventing stuff, being a good athlete. But all he listed were ones with a negative stereotype attached. Look at that whole list and tell me if you dont think that the sex tape thing is just a LITTLE bit less of a big deal than the rest.

And Chris never said "making a tape, leaking it to the media, pretending it was 'stolen' from a safe, and 'settling' with a distribution company while signing a reality deal" all he said was "making a sex tape." I acknowledged in my asterisk that I do find the whole thing fishy, but whether or not everything was on the up and up is not the issue here.

Look, theres not much point in arguing since I dont think that anyone is actually saying that what Rampage did is right, or admirable, or no big deal (except maybe david, i dunno.) But my point is that this country has some seriously screwed up morals when it comes to all things having to do with sex, and sometimes i think we need to be just a little bit more questioning of these arbitrary taboos and focus on stuff that REALLY matters, ie actual, physical harm.

GaryJohnson

07-17-2008, 03:07 PM

A little bit of celebrity goes a long way in L.A. and "Page" is a celebrity, albeit a minor one. His punishment will be minor.

Normally I would agree but I don't think he's going to be so lucky. The latest news I heard was during this whole ordeal he injured a woman who was pregnant. If that woman has a miscarriage I see Q going away for sometime. But with the way lawyers are now who what's going to happen.

chrisklavette

07-17-2008, 03:54 PM

Kevin, the leaking it to the media for publicity was implied. I should have been more specific. By no means am I a prude. I agree with you that a lot of these so called taboos are foolish. I often wonder why violence gets a pg-13 rating when nudity gets an 'R'. But I also believe that using promiscuousness as a way to market yourself is shameful.

Eric Johnson

07-17-2008, 04:18 PM

...I just hate how people judge people they don't even know. Quinton Jackson is a great guy that just made a huge mistake....

Aren't you judging him yourself, by saying that? Judging is not always saying they are bad or evil, saying someone is a great guy is also judging him.

Jay O'Neill

07-17-2008, 04:21 PM

Oh, come on Jay. Remember the first rule of business: Hire a teenager; while they still know EVERYTHING!

haha...You know I forgot that rule. Thanks for bringin me back to reality... i guess us Old Horses need to keep each other in check as well. By the way congrats to Marilyn.

RyanWilson

07-17-2008, 04:39 PM

Wow, this turned out to have plenty of interesting twists and turns in the discussion...

All it comes down to is this - it doesn't matter whether Rampage is a "great guy" or not in other areas of his life, he acted like a complete a$$ in what he did, put plenty of other people's lives in jeopardy, compiled enough illegal actions in his decisions, and, from what has been said, may have put someone pregnant in a position where there could be damage to the child or cost its life. I don't know about some people here, but if I had a friend that was that foolish and didn't give a crap about thes safety of those around him, I'd be saying my final goodbye at this point and that'd be the end of it. And, if they got a slap on the wrist simply because of having minor celebrity, I'd call foul on it because NOBODY is above the law, even if they're "cool MMA fighters", my best friends, or anyone else. Whether you're living in the gutter or if you're Bill Gates, when you screw up you should get the same treatment either way.

There are plenty of "good" people who do stupid things that endanger only themselves - so be it, do what you want with your body, it's your business. Once you start to infringe on other people's rights to feel safe doing their day-to-day activities by becoming a moving hazard with little concern for anything except getting away from the cops, then I give out a big F-you to anyone with that attitude. I don't worship anyone on this earth enough to try and justify idiotic actions that put others at risk. While it seems at least one person here has a stiffy for the guy, I simply can't even believe that anyone would conceive that somehow what Rampage did is even close to driving slightly over the speed limit or another offense that you can just brush off. He knew what he was doing, he know how risky it was, and still he chose to do it anyway, which is a hell of a lot different from some of the silly examples given earlier in the thread. Hearing anyone try to defend criminal behavior that puts others at risk just makes me shake my head and think about how sad it's gotten that we would stick up for someone we don't even know. Just because he may entertain some people who enjoy his fights doesn't make him better than anyone else, and doesn't qualify him for any breaks because he's got a fan base. He deserves what any other man off the street would get for his actions, and I certainly hope that justice doesn't get blinded by the stupidity of celebrity.

Patrick McGuffin

07-17-2008, 05:02 PM

Oh, come on Jay. Remember the first rule of business: Hire a teenager; while they still know EVERYTHING!

Thats why I am a mod.... :BB:

Oh, wait... as of last sunday I am no longer a teen. Time to hire another mod...

Alan Benninga

07-17-2008, 08:04 PM

Thanks for the link Scott, here it is if you didn't check it out:

http://mmajunkie.com/news/4824/report-quinton-jackson-picked-up-again-by-police.mma

I wondered about a medical problem when I read this thread last night. No reason for him to do what he did and the fact he went to the hospital.

I got into a police chase with a diabetic once. He hit several cars, wrecked his vehicle and ran out into a field like a loon. The guy couldn't even talk when we caught him. Two tubes of glucose later he's was a normal guy.

You never know there could be a medical/meds issue with him. He should give up driving until they figure it out though, then buy him an electric car or something.

Arnell Castillo

07-18-2008, 02:35 AM

I've been reading about all of this and the first thing that came to mind was that something was wrong with him mentally . he was at a photo shoot prior to all of this and also getting his tires checked out or something of that nature . it just doesn't add up much . not given a bunch of reason for him ,but there has to be more to this story . and the fact that he was taken to the hospital later is no good . it's a red flag possibly for something that can be a major problem . we'll see how it plays out though .

Arnell Castillo

07-18-2008, 02:36 AM

I've been reading about all of this and the first thing that came to mind was that something was wrong with him mentally . he was at a photo shoot prior to all of this and also getting his tires checked out or something of that nature . it just doesn't add up much . not given a bunch of excuses for him ,but there has to be more to this story . and the fact that he was taken to the hospital later is no good . it's a red flag possibly for something that can be a major problem . we'll see how it plays out though .