Anderson Silva

[Jeff Crow]

Nobody has mentioned the Silva fight from Saturday night, so let me take the time to say WOW! Who is seriously going to beat this man? Pound for pound he truly is the best fighter in the world. How far does anybody he can go as a light heavyweight? I certainly think Forrest vs. Silva would be interesting.

[Steve Trippe]

Definitely impressive. Almost as impressive, IMO, as the beating Fedor gave to Tim Sylvia. Arlovski also looked great. Lot of great fights this past weekend.

[Jeff Crow]

Did anybody really think that Fedor was going to have any trouble in that fight? Tim Silvia never fights to win, he just fights not to lose.

[Steve Trippe]

Did anybody really think that Fedor was going to have any trouble in that fight? Tim Silvia never fights to win, he just fights not to lose.

I don't think he really fought on Saturday. Did you see that one punch he landed on Fedor? Neither did I...

[Chris Dwyer]

Silva is incredible and one of my favorite fighters. However, Fedor is #1 P4P IMHO. His only loss was years ago from a cut (which he easily avenged) and I cannot think of a person on earth that I would favor over him in a fight at any weight. I think Anderson would have his hands full with Liddell, V. Silva, Rampage, Machida, and a number of other LHWs. That said, he is a 185er and it is impressive that he won the way he did at 205.

[Jeff Crow]

Well we all want to see Fedor v. Randy, but who's next for Anderson (if its not obvious Anderson is my favorite fighter).

[Wayne Meyer]

Did anybody really think that Fedor was going to have any trouble in that fight? Tim Silvia never fights to win, he just fights not to lose.

You are spot on accurate! Aggressive physical fighters will always give Sylvia trouble becuase they wont allow him to jab his way to a victory. Also as long as Sylvia fights not to lose he will NEVER be respected by the fans.

[Scott Porter]

Fedor is the best "pound for pound" fighter. He weighs more and would demolish Silva.

I hate that expression by the way. I don't even know if it actually means anything when it comes to MMA.

[Jeff Crow]

Sorry Scott, but as long as you have a sport with weight classes, then unfortunately you are going to have "pound for pound" discussions. Of course Fedor would demolish Anderson, he outweighs him by 50+ pounds, but again thats way we have weight classes. I personally Anderson just as technically skilled and well-rounded as Fedor, maybe even more. He is the best Thai kick boxer, and BJJ black belt.

[DaneGarreau]

Fedor is the best "pound for pound" fighter. He weighs more and would demolish Silva.

I hate that expression by the way. I don't even know if it actually means anything when it comes to MMA.

It basically takes into account the fighters skill despite their weight, ie, who would win in a fight between Fedor and B.J. Penn if both fighters weighed the same??

Also, Anderson's next fight is against Yushin Okami in Atlanta, in September.

[Chris Dwyer]

Sorry Scott, but as long as you have a sport with weight classes, then unfortunately you are going to have "pound for pound" discussions. Of course Fedor would demolish Anderson, he outweighs him by 50+ pounds, but again thats way we have weight classes. I personally Anderson just as technically skilled and well-rounded as Fedor, maybe even more. He is the best Thai kick boxer, and BJJ black belt.

I beg to differ. Silva just fought at 205, and cuts to make 185. Fedor fights at 265 (with many people cutting significant weight) at a bodyweight of 230. It is said that Sylvia weighed 280 at fight time. What is more impressive?

[Kevin Cronin]

Nobody has mentioned the Silva fight from Saturday night, so let me take the time to say WOW! Who is seriously going to beat this man? Pound for pound he truly is the best fighter in the world.
The UFC's propaganda machine has risen to Ministry of Truth-like levels in this one. While Anderson's technical fluidity may give SOME credence to his argument, Fedor's equal technical mastery, and his superior list of victims leaves no doubt as to who is truly the best p4p

[Chris Dwyer]

By the way, Silva weighed in at 206 for his bout this weekend. This tells me he is actually cutting to make 205. He is 6'2", and I have to guess he walks around at 215-220 at a minimum. Of course, that is just a guess.

[Kurt Hessenbruch]

By the way, Silva weighed in at 206 for his bout this weekend. This tells me he is actually cutting to make 205. He is 6'2", and I have to guess he walks around at 215-220 at a minimum. Of course, that is just a guess.

Good guess, Chris. He said in an interview that he walks around at 220.

Those at 205 have to drop weight to fight. In my case I had to go up in weight, and even though I walk around weighing 220, I’m not used to fighting with that weight. We were able to adapt our training to the weight, but we’ll have to wait for the 19th and see what happens. I hope to have a positive result. My game at 205 is different than most, and I hope everyone will like it.

[Steve Trippe]

By the way, Silva weighed in at 206 for his bout this weekend. This tells me he is actually cutting to make 205. He is 6'2", and I have to guess he walks around at 215-220 at a minimum. Of course, that is just a guess.

Reports have said he walks around at around 215.

Fedor weighs in at around 230.

Not a huge difference there. I'd actually say Silva may carry more muscle than Fedor (Fedor has said he performs better at a higher bodyfat). However, Fedor has dominated the top fighters for a long time. Compare their records and the people they have fought, and this is barely even an argument.

Keep in mind, that I've been a Silva fan for a while now, so I'm not just hating here. I was the only one of my friends that picked him to defeat Franklin the first time around, back before anyone had any idea who he was.

I'm more concerned with how Dana White will spin this after he tried to pass Fedor as a subprime competitor.

[Chris Dwyer]

Good guess, Chris. He said in an interview that he walks around at 220.

Thanks Kurt. So, walking around there is a 10# difference between the fighters, 15 tops. This just proves how impressive Fedor is. Many of the 205#ers (Ortiz, Liddell, for instance) walk around at Fedor's weight of 230. The guy is just incredible. And, FYI, he would also be a strongman lightweight! :)

[Jeff Crow]

I was not aware of Silva's true weight, thanks for the education. But tell me who does Anderson need to beat to "increase" his pound for pound status, he's walked through everybody they've put infront of him (rather easily BTW).

[Chris Dwyer]

I was not aware of Silva's true weight, thanks for the education. But tell me who does Anderson need to beat to "increase" his pound for pound status, he's walked through everybody they've put infront of him (rather easily BTW).

He needs somebody to beat Fedor! :)

[Jeff Crow]

List your top P4P fighters.
Mine 1. Anderson Silva (big surprise) 2. Fedor 3. St. Pierre I'm only going 3

[Chris Dwyer]

Not necessarily P4P, but just who I think are the best:

1 - Fedor
2 - A. Silva
3 - Machida
4 - Penn
5 - GSP
6 - M. Torres
7 - Faber
8 - Rodrigo Nogueira
9 - Filho
10 - Gomi

[Kalle Beck]

Sorry Scott, but as long as you have a sport with weight classes, then unfortunately you are going to have "pound for pound" discussions. Of course Fedor would demolish Anderson, he outweighs him by 50+ pounds, but again thats way we have weight classes. I personally Anderson just as technically skilled and well-rounded as Fedor, maybe even more. He is the best Thai kick boxer, and BJJ black belt.


Silva cuts from 210-212 to fight at 185. I heard he was weighing 220 in training for his fight at LHW. Fedor weighed in at 230 for his fight against Timmah. Fedor outweighs SIlva by the most 20lbs.

I'd love to see them fight at a catch weight of 220 or open weight for that matter.

Edit: whoops forgot to click on the second page.....

There are a lot of fun matchups for Anderson at LHW which would improve his P4P status of course Fedor would legitimize it but I don't see them fighting anytime soon if ever.

I'd really like to see Silva pick Liddel apart.

[Steve Kirit]

Half the fun of MMA is speculating who would win in a certain match-up. It's a sport where almost anything can happen. Be aware though that there is a difference between a real MMA fighter and a "pretty boy" if you will who has been promoted to fill a niche and increase the marketability of the sport by the promoter(s).

There really are those fighters who came up through the hard ranks, guys like Silva, Fedor,Rampage, Henderson and others, who, under the radar, fought everyone who was put in front of them and who many of the fan favorites would not want to meet on their worst day.

Remember just because a guy looks like he could be in the WWE, can throw flying knees and knows a few chokes does not mean he has any business in the ring with the elite.

[Eric Jett]

I remember a few years ago(when Matt Hughes was still champion and cosidered unstoppable) they had a list of all the top pound for pound fighters in the world, and the best in each weight class. Fedor got every first-place vote in the HW division, and all but maybe one in the pound-for-pound.

Yahoo! also releases rankings that are the top ten fighters in the world pound-for-pound. Fedor topped this list every time since it's inception, up until December 2007. The rankings started in July, his last fight before those were released was in April against a middleweight. Obviusly everyone still thought he was the best in the world at this point. He didn't move from the top until after he fought Hong-Man Choi(not exactly the greatest of opponents) in December 2007. So, he fought to subprime guys last year, yet was still considered the best in the world. What does that tell you about just how good he is?

Also, the next person to be ranked #1? Anderson Silva.

[chrisklavette]

I was not aware of Silva's true weight, thanks for the education. But tell me who does Anderson need to beat to "increase" his pound for pound status, he's walked through everybody they've put infront of him (rather easily BTW).
He would need to beat the best there is currently. That man being Fedor. There is only a 10 lbs difference between there natural weights. If Fedor was in the UFC or Silva in Affliction would Silva take a fight against Fedor? Would Fedor be willing to cut to a catch weight to fight Silva? Maybe. We will probably never know.

BTW,
my vote for best p4p fighter goes to Renzo Gracie, then Royce. Both gladly took up fights against ANYONE regardless of weight. Without question.

[Steve Trippe]

But tell me who does Anderson need to beat to "increase" his pound for pound status, he's walked through everybody they've put infront of him (rather easily BTW).

It's not that he isn't a great pound for pound fighter, it's just that Fedor has been walking through the TOP names for a long time. Silva has only been fighting top names for a couple years now. Couple that with the fact that he hasn't walked through everyone (22-4 record) whereas Fedor's only loss was due to a blood stoppage that he easily avenged, and I can't see Silva as being the better fighter.

Fedor has gone through Silvia, Hunt, Coleman, Lindland, CroCop, Nog, Randleman, Zulozino (undefeated at the time) and many others in style. He received the slam of death from Randleman and submitted him seconds later, he chased CroCop around the ring when CroCop was CroCopping everyone, he pounded Nog into the mat in the position Nog is most comfortable in.

Silva has ended his last 6 or 7 matches in 2 periods or less, which is incredibly impressive, but isn't enough for me to put him over Fedor.

[Kevin Cronin]

BTW,
my vote for best p4p fighter goes to Renzo Gracie, then Royce. Both gladly took up fights against ANYONE regardless of weight. Without question.

Without even addressing the issue of renzo's allegedly inflated record, and the fact that royce was fightin in a much more one dimensional era, if you're going to talk about the gracie's you've got to talk about the Gracie Hunter and the clinic he put on royce's leg and the spiral fracture he left on - was it renzo?'s - arm. Speaking of fighting ANYONE put in front of you, Sakuraba IS the phrase "p4p" put into action. im going to be honest, i think i've only been able to WATCH two of his fights, BUT I have read a decent amount, and read the opinions of people whom I respect. Additionally, one of the fights I watched was the 90 MINUTE war between Saku and Royce - WELL worth watching. I'm rambling now

But I will say that while somebody said, tongue-in-cheek, that the person Anderson needed to beat, was someone to beat Fedor, I think that's probably exactly what needs to happen. It is a credit to Anderson that even if he beat, say Wanderlei, that wouldnt increase my opinion of him ... honestly, after last night, seeing how dang big he came in, and maintaining his explosion and fluidity (not that that should be a surprise to this crowd, who knows that "musclebound fighters" is abs myth) I would honestly expect him to beat Wanderlei, or many others, maybe all in teh 205s. Maybe I'm completely wrong on that.

It may not be fair to beat everyone in front of you and not be able to move up - like a perverted mma version of the bcs rankigns - but it's even more unfair for the top dog to remain undefeated, and then somehow fall to #2. Lets get the campaign for Fedor-Anderson at a catchweight going

[chrisklavette]

the fact that royce was fightin in a much more one dimensional era

Every era is less impressive then the current day. Rocky Marciano was a great fighter in his day, but the caliber of fighter wasn't as good. It's a tough argument to make on either side and really it comes down to how much raw talent and intelligence about their sport you feel the person had.

if you're going to talk about the gracie's you've got to talk about the Gracie Hunter and the clinic he put on royce's leg and the spiral fracture he left on - was it renzo?'s - arm. Speaking of fighting ANYONE put in front of you, Sakuraba IS the phrase "p4p" put into action. im going to be honest, i think i've only been able to WATCH two of his fights, BUT I have read a decent amount, and read the opinions of people whom I respect. Additionally, one of the fights I watched was the 90 MINUTE war between Saku and Royce - WELL worth watching.
I've never heard of this fighter. I will have to look him up.


Lets get the campaign for Fedor-Anderson at a catchweight going
I'm sure we can persuade everyone at the top of the MMA industry to listen to us. Let's do this MOD EDIT.

[Chris Dwyer]

Even at a catch weight I just don't see what Anderson has for Fedor. Fedor has traded punches with guys who strike as accurately and harder than Silva (Crocop and Mark Hunt) and he has dominated guys who are better than Anderson on the ground (Nogueira). And Fedor is 10x the wrestler. He'll take the fight whereever he wants to. I just don't see how Anderson wins.

[Josh Kamins]

Silva's next fight I think will be against Cote...Okami is rumored to have broken his hand. I think skill wise Silva is very impressive, but because of how thin the middle weights are right now its hard to call him p4p the best. I think its Fedor followed closely by Silva, then BJ, then GSP...

Fedor has simply not lost a round in his whole career. His loss was an illegal strike that caused a cut. Because it was a tournament, somebody had to go on, so they had his opponent go on and they had to give Fedor a loss. In fact his only weakness is his weakness to cuts...

Another thing is Anderson is not going to keep fighting 205 and going for the title. He said he wants his training partenr Machida to get that belt in the UFC which I think is definitely possible.

About Silva's weight..I doubt he's cutting from 220 to 185, thats not that realistic. 210 is more reasonable, thghou maybe when he's months out, or when getting ready for a 205 fight he bumpbs up to 215-220

[Ryan Carey]

Silva is a very, very effective fighter at both weight classes. Irvin was a big puncher, I mean look how he knocked out Houston Alexander in 8 seconds. That was impressive. Silva's Base is just great. His Muai Thai followed by excellant BJJ is just an awesome combination of Arts. Irvin was a tough opponent, Silva is just always prepared. I would like to see him stay in the 205lb division, I think he could do very well.

[darrell baker]

josh speaks the truth about fedor's only loss not really being a loss....and anderson has said he has no desire to fight at 205, he's rooting for machida to get that belt (& he probably will get it).

anderson just beat an unranked 205er, fedor beat the #4 or 5 ranked heavyweight (depending on whose rankings you look at)....so imo fedor's win was much more impressive.

fedor is the best fighter on the planet, and big nog is second. he only has 4 losses, & all were judge's decisions...no one has submitted and/or (t)ko'ed him, & he's faced a lot of elite fighters.

then you can talk about anderson or bj or gsp or whomever. they are great, but all 3 have been finished.

[Jeff Crow]

Beating Tim is really no big feat, and if he is ranked 4th or 5th then all that shows is how weak and diluted the HW division is. Anderson does have 4 losses but how long ago was his last one.

[Chris Dwyer]

josh speaks the truth about fedor's only loss not really being a loss....and anderson has said he has no desire to fight at 205, he's rooting for machida to get that belt (& he probably will get it).

anderson just beat an unranked 205er, fedor beat the #4 or 5 ranked heavyweight (depending on whose rankings you look at)....so imo fedor's win was much more impressive.

fedor is the best fighter on the planet, and big nog is second. he only has 4 losses, & all were judge's decisions...no one has submitted and/or (t)ko'ed him, & he's faced a lot of elite fighters.

then you can talk about anderson or bj or gsp or whomever. they are great, but all 3 have been finished.

Miguel Torres = another great who has never been finished and has also avenged his only loss (a decision from 2003). If you want to rank P4P - you have to put him near the top.

Also, check out his finish %, pretty astounding:

http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Miguel-Torres-3006

[JohnCook]

Beating Tim is really no big feat, and if he is ranked 4th or 5th then all that shows is how weak and diluted the HW division is. Anderson does have 4 losses but how long ago was his last one.


Really? Then explain to me why the only other fighters who have managed to do it are all former or current champions of a major org? Save one, Jorge Rivera, a fight that took place 9 years ago. It was Tim's second pro fight. Other then that, you have Mir (sub), Arlovski (KO....but avenged twice), Couture (decision), Big Nog (sub...after taking a vicious beating) and Fedor (sub).

Fact of the matter is, regardless of how much people hate his awkward, bumbling, boring style, the dude is still 6'8" 265 lbs with KO power, long reach, good sub defense and a good sprawl. He can and will present problems for every fighter that crosses paths with him.....with the exception of Fedor Emelianenko, which was proven Saturday.

I think you need to go watch some more fights and increase your MMA knowledge before making statements like "Beating Tim is really no big feat". IMO Silva beating Irvin is really no big feat.

I give Silva all the credit in the world but Irvin's brawling style is tailor made for a pinpoint striker like Silva. That matchup wasn't made by accident, it happened so Anderson's skills could be showcased at LHW. I don't know how anyone could not have seen that beatdown coming. Anderson is mod edit HUGE at MW, he has stated himself in interviews that he walks around comfortably at 220 lbs between fights. In all honesty the guy has no business fighting at MW, the only reason he does is because his training partner is Lyoto Machida, who fights at LHW and is in title contention.

The Fedor/Sylvia fight was a much more debated fight, which is why the devastating outcome was much more impressive IMO then the outcome of the Silva/Irvin fight. I of course favored Fedor to win, but not like that. In 36 seconds Tim didn't manage to mount even a hint of offense. It was like he was the class nerd who had been jumped by the school yard bully. With all the great fighters he's been in the ring/octagon with, none of them have came even close to completely OWNING him like that.

[Jeff Crow]

Sorry John I didn't realize we had such experts on MMA on the forum. You said Tim never showed any offense, when does he ever. Thats his problem he is the most defensive fighter I've watched. Oh I'm sorry maybe I haven't watched enough figths or have enough MMA knowledge. But tell who he has been the aggressor against. Hell, he let Monson bully him around (granted Monson is a tank, but almost a foot shorter). If Tim wasn't 6'8" he would be just a slow, low-skill chump who could never get a fight outside of a local Indian casino. Just because he's lost to great fighters means nothing, how many great fighters has he beaten.

[Steve Trippe]

Without even addressing the issue of renzo's allegedly inflated record, and the fact that royce was fightin in a much more one dimensional era, if you're going to talk about the gracie's you've got to talk about the Gracie Hunter and the clinic he put on royce's leg and the spiral fracture he left on - was it renzo?'s - arm. Speaking of fighting ANYONE put in front of you, Sakuraba IS the phrase "p4p" put into action. im going to be honest, i think i've only been able to WATCH two of his fights, BUT I have read a decent amount, and read the opinions of people whom I respect. Additionally, one of the fights I watched was the 90 MINUTE war between Saku and Royce - WELL worth watching. I'm rambling now


Eh. You call him the Gracie Hunter, I call him Wandy's bitch.

I have a few of his fights on an external harddrive at my house if you want them though. It'd take some digging, but I'm sure I have them.

[Steve Trippe]

Beating Tim is really no big feat, and if he is ranked 4th or 5th then all that shows is how weak and diluted the HW division is. Anderson does have 4 losses but how long ago was his last one.

The point is he doesn't have the win's to back anything up. Just because you aren't impressed with Tim doesn't make him less of a fighter. Just because you sit on your couch and critique his fighting style doesn't mean he isn't still deadly. I used to fight semi-pro and can tell you that you can watch all the video on your opponent in the world and still have no idea what stepping into the ring will be like. For you to critique Silvia's figthing style would be like me critiqueing Reza on his clean and jerk.

I hate where this debate is going, but the point is that Silva came onto the scene, had a couple spectacular finishes, and everyone thinks he's an MMA god. Fedor has been spectacular finishes since he came into MMA after dominating the world of Sambo, submitting some of the best BJJ names in the world, outstriking kickboxing champs, and ground and pounding the guys that invented the guard. Silva needs to be around and prove himself against competition through and throuh before he gets ranked with Fedor. This isn't putting Silva down, it's just being realistic of how dominant Fedor has been.

[JohnCook]

Sorry John I didn't realize we had such experts on MMA on the forum. You said Tim never showed any offense, when does he ever. Thats his problem he is the most defensive fighter I've watched. Oh I'm sorry maybe I haven't watched enough figths or have enough MMA knowledge. But tell who he has been the aggressor against. Hell, he let Monson bully him around (granted Monson is a tank, but almost a foot shorter). If Tim wasn't 6'8" he would be just a slow, low-skill chump who could never get a fight outside of a local Indian casino. Just because he's lost to great fighters means nothing, how many great fighters has he beaten.


The dude has several notable victories. Regardless I think it's a bit much to say he's a "low skilled chump" or that it's not an accomplishment to have defeated him. I can see not liking the way the guy fights, but come on now, he's a former 2x champ....I think he has earned a lot more respect then what you are giving him. He has plenty of offensive capabilities, he didn't show them on Saturday because of Fedor's absolutely relentless attack.


After reading some of your comments, I'd like to see how a 220 lbs Anderson Silva fairs against Sylvia. You might be disappointed.

[Jeff Crow]

Well I guess we will agree to disagree on Tim Sylvia. I never said Fedor was not a great, if not one of the greatest fighters, I'm just trying to say Anderson currently should be in the conversation for who is the best P4P. I realize time will till with Anderson, but I am supremely confident he will live up to the hype.

Here is new question, did all the Afflictions fighter just black ball themselves with the UFC?

[Kÿle Vezeau]

Fedor is pound for pound the best fighter in the world because at 230 lbs he has demolished opponents weighting up to 400 lbs.

[DaneGarreau]

Fedor is pound for pound the best fighter in the world because at 230 lbs he has demolished opponents weighting up to 400 lbs.

Ha, I'm not sure a win over Zulu is anything to brag about!!

The reason Silva gets the nod for Pound for Pound best, is simply because he has faced the better competition in the last 2 years.

Fedor on the other hand beat Matt Lindland, who normally fights at MW, and if you watch the fight you will noticed that Fedor holds to the ropes to block a takedown, which eventually led to Fedor ending up in dominant position. Fedor's other recent wins include a win over Mark Hunt, who is an awesome fighter, but also unranked. And he looked not so great over some freatshow Korean guy who has very little MMA experience.

[Garrick Daft]

Hey Dane...

Is it possible for Fedor and Anderson to fight each other? I think it would be a great match...Anderson is 6'2" and Fedor is 6'1" or so right... who do you think would win..?

[DaneGarreau]

Hey Dane...

Is it possible for Fedor and Anderson to fight each other? I think it would be a great match...Anderson is 6'2" and Fedor is 6'1" or so right... who do you think would win..?

I'm afraid I would have to pick Fedor. Silva would be way undersized for a fight against Fedor. I have heard that he walks around at 220 or so, but his frame just seems small when compared to a guy like Fedor. Also, the fact that Silva has been even suspectable to takedowns and submissions gives me the impressions that Fedor would have his way with him on the ground.

Who knows though, that's why they fight the fights.

[chrisklavette]

Garrick, I'm sure this would never happen. If offered the fighters would probably take the opportunity, but the promoters would not stand for it.
Since Anderson usually fights at MW and Fedor is a dominant HW, Fedor has little to gain. If he wins the critics say "Well, it's a HW beating a MW, big deal." If he loses (never gonna happen) it's embarrassing to himself and the promotions that back him. These along the same lines as to why you'll never see a top level boxer break ranks to fight in MMA.

[Steve Trippe]

I'm afraid I would have to pick Fedor. Silva would be way undersized for a fight against Fedor. I have heard that he walks around at 220 or so, but his frame just seems small when compared to a guy like Fedor. Also, the fact that Silva has been even suspectable to takedowns and submissions gives me the impressions that Fedor would have his way with him on the ground.

Who knows though, that's why they fight the fights.

He's really tall and lanky, so he looks lighter than he is. I'd like to see Silva in the light heavies first, that's where the competition is.

As for being blacklisted by the UFC, competing for Affliction certainly won't make Dana happy, but there is no way he can keep talking down about Fedor like he has been, and he can't start doing that with Silva. They are just too good to keep out.

[Chris Dwyer]

Also, the fact that Silva has been even suspectable to takedowns and submissions gives me the impressions that Fedor would have his way with him on the ground.

Seems like kind of a contradiction to say Silve is P4P best and to make this comment. :)

[DaneGarreau]

Seems like kind of a contradiction to say Silve is P4P best and to make this comment. :)

Not really, since P4P takes into account the difference in a fighters size.

I think B.J. Penn is a better P4P fighter than Tim Slyvia, but Tim would win the fight most likeley.

[Chris Dwyer]

One is 220 and cuts. The other is 230 and fight up. Fedor could easily be a LHW. Also, one is just about undefeated and the other is not. But, I'll give you that Silva has been more active. However, Fedor has fought just about all the best that his weight class has to offer. I would like to see Silva fight Filho at 185. Please don't misunderstand though, I am a big Silva fan. I just think Fedor is the best regardless of P4P.

Also, you said that Fedor would own Silva on the ground because of Silva's susceptibilty to takedowns and submissions. Are you saying it's because of Fedor's size?

[JohnCook]

Not really, since P4P takes into account the difference in a fighters size.

I think B.J. Penn is a better P4P fighter than Tim Slyvia, but Tim would win the fight most likeley.


Not when the two fighters size differences are 10 lbs as it is with Anderson/Fedor.


Penn/Sylvia is a poor example to use, Penn walks around at 170, Sylvia walks around at 280 or more.

[Kevin Cronin]

Also, the fact that Silva has been even suspectable to takedowns and submissions gives me the impressions that Fedor would have his way with him on the ground.
What makes you say he's vulnerable to submissions? I'm just curious because while lytle did take him down (i think, dont remember) anderson's known for his bjj

and I think there's a decent chance they will fight at some point. Fedor I think only has 2 fights left on his contract with affliction, and if the money's powerful enough, that's a very good motivator for all parties involved to put together what could be the superfight of all superfights.

[Josh Kamins]

What makes you say he's vulnerable to submissions? I'm just curious because while lytle did take him down (i think, dont remember) anderson's known for his bjj

and I think there's a decent chance they will fight at some point. Fedor I think only has 2 fights left on his contract with affliction, and if the money's powerful enough, that's a very good motivator for all parties involved to put together what could be the superfight of all superfights.

I don't think he fought Lytle, Lutter you mean?

Silva has a BJJ black belt from the Nogeuiras, I doubt he's that susceptible to submissions. His takedown defense has gotten better too...

[DaneGarreau]

I don't think he fought Lytle, Lutter you mean?

Silva has a BJJ black belt from the Nogeuiras, I doubt he's that susceptible to submissions. His takedown defense has gotten better too...

Silva's only 2 stopage losses have come via submission, so I would say it's the only chink in his armor, not that it is a big chink. And a blackbelt in BJJ is great, but there have been plenty of black belt fighter get submitted, so it's not like it isn't possible.

Also, about Anderson walking around at 220, I somehow still have doubts about him cutting down to 185 from that weight. That would be 35 pounds, and I still have doubts about that.

[Josh Kamins]

True, though one of those was a ridiculous flying scissoring ankle lock on an at the time injured ankle...

[JohnCook]

True, though one of those was a ridiculous flying scissoring ankle lock on an at the time injured ankle...


I agree, I'm not sure at the present time I could consider Silva's submission defense to be a weakness. His two stoppages were by submission, but those fights took place awhile ago. He's a much improved fighter now.

[darrell baker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5B6xBZiX8

[JohnCook]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb5B6xBZiX8


You can see by how quickly he tapped that something isn't right there. IMO had there not been an injury on the side he wouldn't have tapped so quickly. I will give it to Chonan, it was a well placed submission, but still Silva seemed to have tapped out almost immediately, with a grimacing look of pain on his face. Chonan wouldn't last 5 seconds with Silva today.