QB Steve McNair found dead

[WesleyInman]

I couldn't believe this when I saw it, they think it was a murder or murder/suicide. Unreal.

http://www.wkrn.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643916

[Jason Nunn]

Wow. That's terrible.

[Mac Smith]

preliminary reports look like murder/suicide...tragic to say the least.

[Tony Moses]

Very tragic, a young guy who leaves behind young children.

Yeah, the last reports I saw were saying it looked like murder-suicide with McNair certainly being a murder victim as he was shot something like 4 times, and they were still looking into what happened to his female friend.

[Mac Smith]

Seems the female friend bought the gun 2 days prior to the incident. He was shot 4 times (twice in the chest and twice in the head), she was shot once to the head and the weapon was found right next to her.

I hate to speculate when it comes to crimes like this (I vividly remember the Ray Carruth affair, I was playing for AZ at the time and a good buddy of mine was a teammate in Carolina with Carruth), but I think maybe McNair might have been wanting to break it off between the two. But who knows...definitely tragic to leave behind four young boys like that, regardless of circumstance!!!

[barabas47]

I do feel sorry for the kids but dude on pics vacationing with this mistress, bought her an escalade, shared a place with her in nashville and all neighbors said he spent most of the week there.
Does not sound like a guy who wanted to be around his children or wife

[Mac Smith]

Don't be so quick to judge. Reports are surfacing now that a possible divorce was imminent. The couple recently put their 14,000sq ft. home up for sale and reports say they haven't been living together in quite sometime. That is the reason McNair leased the property he was killed at along with a friend of his.

[Ryan Bracewell]

I know nothing about the man personal, like everyone else here, so I will not judge him for being with someone other than his wife. But I will say that on the field McNair was a beast, and showed the attitude & love for the game that most NFL fans wished more athletes would have. Its a shame something so senseless has happened to him.

[Kimberly]

I do feel sorry for the kids but dude on pics vacationing with this mistress, bought her an escalade, shared a place with her in nashville and all neighbors said he spent most of the week there.
Does not sound like a guy who wanted to be around his children or wife

I agree with Barabas... its a crappy situation all around, but regardless if divorce was imminent or not that's not right. They should have gotten a divorce long ago anyway if they have been separated forever its still a bad example for your kids ...you should be divorced before makin a home and a life with someone else. The only reason anyone cares about this guy is b/c he played pro football (granted he was a great QB) but if this was any other guy and his wife no one whould care. I look at people for who they are.... just people there are good people and bad people regardless of circumstance but thats just me. Maybe I lack all those warm fuzzy feelings when people I dont know die but it doesnt bother me.. just my .02

[Ryan Bracewell]

I agree with Barabas... its a crappy situation all around, but regardless if divorce was imminent or not that's not right. They should have gotten a divorce long ago anyway if they have been separated forever its still a bad example for your kids ...you should be divorced before makin a home and a life with someone else. The only reason anyone cares about this guy is b/c he played pro football (granted he was a great QB) but if this was any other guy and his wife no one whould care. I look at people for who they are.... just people there are good people and bad people regardless of circumstance but thats just me. Maybe I lack all those warm fuzzy feelings when people I dont know die but it doesnt bother me.. just my .02

Even if the situation is what your thinking, I do not see how being divorced would make any difference to his kids. Whether they are divorced or separated, he still was not living with his family so it does not really matter. All the kids know is that he is dating someone other than their mom. That does not make him a bad guy.

As for why people care, you are right. He did become known just for playing football, but he became famous and admired for his extensive work with local charities and for being a good role model to younger athletes. He was not getting arrested for DUI, or taking drugs, or beating up his wife like many athletes, and he had the attitude that most parents try to instill in their children. This story about him having a girlfriend while being married is the first "bad" thing ever brought up about him, and if him and his wife are separated then I say its not a bad thing.

[Kimberly]

Everyone likes to attack everyone else on here for their personal opinions ... as you are me and thats fine b.c I do not care. I am entitled to my opinion obviously my views on family and divorce etc are different that yours I'm ok with that too. I never said he was a bad guy.... I doubt anyone here knows him personally so who is to say that or even what even happened etc all I was saying is that I don't agree with being married and having a gf period even if you are separated for 20 years and never got a divorce lol get a freakin divorce. Just tramps all over the entire institute of marriage to me and says to your kids that marriage & vows etc are bs IMO. Kids know a lot more than people may think and pay attention when no one thinks they are and yeah maybe they may have not known the difference that doesn't mean its right. The right thing isn't always the popular thing, but its doin whats right when no one is looking that makes you a good person IMHO. I'm sure he did lots of great things for charities and kids etc.... LOTS OF PEOPLE DO.... hell I do! Whatever I'm not bad mouthing the guy cuz I'm not I'd have to care about him or know him to bad mouth him and I dont. All I have is an opinion and everyone on here has lots of those! :LOL:

[Ryan Bracewell]

Everyone likes to attack everyone else on here for their personal opinions ... as you are me and thats fine b.c I do not care. I am entitled to my opinion obviously my views on family and divorce etc are different that yours I'm ok with that too. I never said he was a bad guy.... I doubt anyone here knows him personally so who is to say that or even what even happened etc all I was saying is that I don't agree with being married and having a gf period even if you are seperated for 20 years and never got a divorce lol get a freakin divorce. Just tramps all over the entire institute of marriage to me and says to your kids that marriage & vows etc are bs IMO. I'm sure he did lots of great things for charities and kids etc.... LOTS OF PEOPLE DO.... hell I do! Whatever but dont put words in my mouth like I'm bad mouthin the guy cuz I'm not I'd have to care about him or know him to bad mouth him and I dont. All I have is an opinion and everyone on here has lots of those! :LOL:

I was not trying to "attack" you about your opinion, just saying I don't see the reasoning behind your opinion(which you have cleared up in this post). I do not necessarily agree with you on the divorce issue, but that doesn't mean i'm saying you are wrong.

[Scott Porter]

If he wasn't still with his wife (living, physically, etc.), who cares that he is still legally married. That's just paperwork.

I was legally married for a year after I left my ex-wife. Was I really supposed to wait until all the paperwork went through to start dating?

I don't know what McNair's situation was, but it doesn't even sound like he was "cheating". Maybe he was telling his girlfriend that he just couldn't get the divorce and decided to work things out with his wife so she shot him and herself???

[barabas47]

If he wasn't still with his wife (living, physically, etc.), who cares that he is still legally married. That's just paperwork.

I was legally married for a year after I left my ex-wife. Was I really supposed to wait until all the paperwork went through to start dating?

I don't know what McNair's situation was, but it doesn't even sound like he was "cheating". Maybe he was telling his girlfriend that he just couldn't get the divorce and decided to work things out with his wife so she shot him and herself???

He was totally cheating Porter!!!!!!! Dudes a former Pro football player, possible hall of famer.
He has to live up to a higher standard in society because children idolize him and how many consider him a role model.
Now parents have to explain what he was doing to their children

[Margaret Boyle]

I agree with Barabas... its a crappy situation all around, but regardless if divorce was imminent or not that's not right. They should have gotten a divorce long ago anyway if they have been separated forever its still a bad example for your kids ...you should be divorced before makin a home and a life with someone else. The only reason anyone cares about this guy is b/c he played pro football (granted he was a great QB) but if this was any other guy and his wife no one whould care. I look at people for who they are.... just people there are good people and bad people regardless of circumstance but thats just me. Maybe I lack all those warm fuzzy feelings when people I dont know die but it doesnt bother me.. just my .02

I for one am against divorce but if it isn't working out than you got to do what you got to do and the kids WILL suffer, I should know but have learned ffrom my parents mistake. If you are going to be in the public eye, don't get married unless you know for sure she/he is the one forever 'till death do you part, (my .02) Kimberly and Barabas I am with you on this.

Still he doen't deserve to be murdered!

[Ryan Bracewell]

He was totally cheating Porter!!!!!!! Dudes a former Pro football player, possible hall of famer.
He has to live up to a higher standard in society because children idolize him and how many consider him a role model.
Now parents have to explain what he was doing to their children

This isn't the 50's. Over half of all marriages fail. Kids nowadays know all about separations and divorces(that doesnt make it right, but its reality)

[barabas47]

This isn't the 50's. Over half of all marriages fail. Kids nowadays know all about separations and divorces(that doesnt make it right, but its reality)

So if you had boys that wanted to be pro football players you would tell them that McNair's actions are perfectly appropriate? That's cool.

I myself would not want my kids to think that cheating on your spouse in the public eye is appropriate.

[Scott Porter]

I got to agree with Bracewell here.

You won't have to explain anything to more than 60% of children because their parents aren't together. Divorce is all too common today. That doesn't make it right, it's just the way it is.

Obviously if you're in the public eye you kind of have a responsibility to uphold though too. Maybe he was trying to get a divorce but it just takes time. Maybe he was going to work it out with his wife. Who knows.

[Scott Porter]

So if you had boys that wanted to be pro football players you would tell them that McNair's actions are perfectly appropriate? That's cool.

I myself would not want my kids to think that cheating on your spouse in the public eye is appropriate.

I agree with you here. Cheating on your spouse is never right. Especially when it affects children.

[Ryan Bracewell]

So if you had boys that wanted to be pro football players you would tell them that McNair's actions are perfectly appropriate? That's cool.

I myself would not want my kids to think that cheating on your spouse in the public eye is appropriate.

I would never say they were perfectly appropriate, but I would still consider him a great role model for young athletes. I would not tell my children that he is a bad person or bad role model because he was seperated from his wife and had a GF. Does that mean he made the right choices all the time, of course not, be overall he has still set a good example(IMO of course).

[barabas47]

But he wan't seperated. He was completely married and his has made no indication she knew this was going on behind her back.
If she knew and was cool with it that her choice but she has yet to speak

[Ryan Bracewell]

But he wan't seperated. He was completely married and his has made no indication she knew this was going on behind her back.
If she knew and was cool with it that her choice but she has yet to speak

I'm sure whatever was going will come out sooner than later. However, if he was just out right cheating then I would say that is much worse. I still don't think that would make him unfit to be a role model or to be admired. Everyone, including super stars, preachers, politicians, etc. do things they are not proud of at some point in their life. There are very few celeb/sports role models that you can look at and say they did no wrong. Look at Michael Jordan.....arguably one of the best athletes of all time, with legions of fans, and he committed adultery as well and I doubt anyone on here would say anything negative about him if he died tomorrow.

[barabas47]

true about Jordan,
Maybe the situation would be different if McNair made it one more yard in the superbowl

[Ryan Bracewell]

I dont want to come off like I think Adultery is ok, because its not. But I don't think that one act should determine how that person is remembered.

[AndrewPalmer]

Good men stray. So do good women. Not all, but many do. Is it right? Who cares? If your friend or family member had an affair would you want them murdered? Because I would be shocked if you don't have a close friend or family member who has strayed from their wife/husband/partner. It happens.

The point? A man who has by all indications been a decent human being was murdered, but he may have done one single inappropriate thing and that is the point of contention. I have a problem with that. Even more of a problem in that everyone is judging based on hypotheticals since none of us really know what happened.

[Margaret Boyle]

I found out about McNair's death on Sunday while my 13 year old son read the article about it aloud to me, my husband and his 2 younger brothers (who are 12 and 11 yrs old). It was in the Boston Sunday Globe. They all know very well who he is/was and felt bad as it is a tragedy and they did look up to him. If the newspaper read that he was divorced and he moved in with his girlfriend then it probably wouldn't have even made the newspaper because that is too common. On a personal level, his own family and children should come first and they didn't here. Too bad it ended this way and I feel for those kids.
They are the ones that will remeber that Daddy cheated on mommy and girlfriend killed him (according to what is printed in newspapers). We can all go ahead and remember him as that great QB that played for the Titans.

PS~he did not deserve to die for his actions IMO!

[Mac Smith]

But he wan't seperated. He was completely married and his has made no indication she knew this was going on behind her back.
If she knew and was cool with it that her choice but she has yet to speak

Not true, reports have indicated that they've been apart for quite sometime. The reports and sightings of him with his boys on vacation were always w/o his wife. Like I posted earlier they had put their home up for sale. He was leasing an apartment with a friend, plus he really wasn't trying that hard to hide his relationship with this woman, etc., etc. Why does his wife need to speak? Juanita (Jordan) never spoke about her divorce or Micheal's many affairs so why should McNair's wife. Their business is already "out in the street" so to speak, they don't need or want to put it out there anymore than it already is.

I have two boys and while they have posters and autographs from McNair, they only look up to what he does athletically. Its not his responsiblity to teach them to be men, that is my responsibility. And everyday they wake up and see their father with their mother and know that they've been together for over 20yrs. I'm their role model in life, not these athletes and fortunately they've had the chance to meet many of these guys in person, but I'm still their role model because that is the way it should be!!!

[Kimberly]

I have two boys and while they have posters and autographs from McNair, they only look up to what he does athletically. Its not his responsiblity to teach them to be men, that is my responsibility. And everyday they wake up and see their father with their mother and know that they've been together for over 20yrs. I'm their role model in life, not these athletes and fortunately they've had the chance to meet many of these guys in person, but I'm still their role model because that is the way it should be!!!

cant agree with you more..... its too bad more people dont share the same view! Too many people (I say people b/c just b/c you have kids doesn't make you a parent) let these athletes/celebrities/etc be their role models instead of themselves & let tv raise their kids!! ... there is no sense of family anymore (that was my point!) THAT IS what their kids will remember and carry onto their own families one day.... thats reality IMO . I''m not knockin people for their choices in life you have to do whats right for you (Scott :EB:)

And Jordan, regardless of all the things he did, blah blah he's an ADULTERER period and I dont personally respect that in a person (yeah a lot of people do it.... still makes it wrong)

[Kimberly]

[quote=Mac Smith;276479]
I have two boys and while they have posters and autographs from McNair, they only look up to what he does athletically. Its not his responsiblity to teach them to be men, that is my responsibility. And everyday they wake up and see their father with their mother and know that they've been together for over 20yrs. I'm their role model in life, not these athletes and fortunately they've had the chance to meet many of these guys in person, but I'm still their role model because that is the way it should be!!! [quote]

cant agree with you more..... its too bad more people dont share the same view! Too many people (I say people b/c just b/c you have kids doesn't make you a parent) let these athletes/celebrities/etc be their role models instead of themselves & let tv raise their kids!! ... there is no sense of family anymore (that was my point!) THAT IS what their kids will remember and carry onto their own families one day.... thats reality IMO . I''m not knockin people for their choices in life you have to do whats right for you (Scott :EB:)

And Jordan, regardless of all the things he did, blah blah he's an ADULTERER period and I dont personally respect that in a person (yeah a lot of people do it.... still makes it wrong)

[Margaret Boyle]

I have two boys and while they have posters and autographs from McNair, they only look up to what he does athletically. Its not his responsiblity to teach them to be men, that is my responsibility. And everyday they wake up and see their father with their mother and know that they've been together for over 20yrs. I'm their role model in life, not these athletes and fortunately they've had the chance to meet many of these guys in person, but I'm still their role model because that is the way it should be!!!

Amen!! That's what I wanted to say!!!!


My kids can learn from this but his kids WILL suffer forever since Pop is dead!

Fatal attraction in real life! Be careful!!!

[Kimberly]

I actually have a friend who's best friends wife cheated on him and was leaving him for this other guy .. He was a mess!!! They had been together for a good a while, had 2 kids... he told her he was gonna kill himself, she told him I dont care do it and HE DID at home in their house with the kids in the the next room he put a gun to his head!

[Margaret Boyle]

Thank God my friends haven't done that! I have two friends who's wives have cheated , (both are great guys, but their wives s**k!). Both have three kids and the wives are selfish *** can't say the rest here without getting thrown out of this awesome forum. You know what I am talking about. Cheating creates a lot of BIGGER problems, sometimes death! Be it murder or suicide.

Sad story Kimberly.

[JustinLallemand]

The circumstances all seem to me to be him trying to break up with her (including buying her an Escalade), possibly after the DUI...within 24 hours she bought the gun. He definitely did not deserve this and she didn't either, but emotions probably took over WAY too much. All the media reports seem to idolize him which seems kind of hypocritical to me, but just my opinion. As far as what he did on the football field, it was amazing and that is the one part of his life I do know about.

Someone mentioned that when famous people die young, they tend to be thought of in a much more positive light than they maybe deserved. (I am sure you can think of some cases of this.) On the other hand, I see J.M. as a great role model and a guy deserving of all of these accolades and probably a whole lot more. His sport simply isn't on the same level as far as fame, money, etc. as say the NFL or NBA. I don't mean to revisit the sadness, but I did think of Jesse when a number of columns were written about McNair's character and thought (again, IMO) about the descrepancy between these two great atheletes.

I understand everyone makes mistakes however, and the temptations have to be mind-boggling to a wealthy/famous athelete that is praised by everyone that he meets - especially 20-yo women. (I would bet that the vast majority of NFL and NBA stars have lived the lifestyle that seems to be expected of them.) And finally, if he were my family or friend, I wouldn't even be concerned with indescretions like these and would just be mourning his death, just like anyone would for thier friends and family.

If you think about almost anything carefully, you can usually see at least some point to both sides of an issue....

RIP Steve McNair - I will probably always remember the times he lead the Titans to beat the Steelers :) Especially the year they knocked them out of the playoffs with Nedney faking being hit and getting a closer FG shot, lol.

[Kimberly]

I wonder if anywhere they mention that this girlfriend of his was 20 years old when she got the DUI in the escalade that he bought her that had both their names on the title? She got the DUI 2 days prior to killing him and the day he died was the first day he saw her since her DUI. Seems like he was going to break things off .. its a shame, but like I said to one of the guys at work when this first came out....there had to be something shady goin on (or she saw her meal ticket running back to his family and freaked lol)!! Sucks cuz it over shadows his football career but thats what happens I guess with "famous" people.

[WesleyInman]

Police: McNair shot dead in sleep by girlfriend

By LUCAS L. JOHNSON II, Associated Press Writer 38 minutes ago




NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—Former NFL star Steve McNair(notes) was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.

Sahel Kazemi “was spinning out of control” when she shot McNair four times as he dozed on a sofa early Saturday, then turned the gun on herself, Police Chief Ronal Serpas said.

Interviews with friends revealed that she was making payments on two cars, her rent was doubling and she suspected the married McNair was having a second affair with another young woman, Serpas said.

Police earlier had labeled McNair’s death a homicide, but waited for further tests and the revelations about Kazemi’s personal problems before concluding that she pulled the trigger of a 9 mm semiautomatic pistol in a condominium McNair rented with a friend.

McNair, 36, a quarterback for the Tennessee Titans most of his career, met Kazemi six months ago at a sports cafe where she was a waitress and his family often ate. She seemed happy and eager to build a life with him, but something went wrong.

Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep when he was killed because there were no defensive wounds. After shooting McNair in the head, Kazemi apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head.

Before shooting herself, she sat next to his body and “tried to stage it so she would fall in his lap,” Serpas said. She did, but her body slid to the floor and ended up at McNair’s feet. The gun was found underneath her.

Kazemi’s family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him.

But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair’s charitable association for years, said earlier Wednesday that McNair’s wife, Mechelle McNair, “didn’t know who this girl is.” No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced. The McNairs have four children.

Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving a Cadillac Escalade sport utility vehicle that McNair had given her for her birthday in May.

According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer “she was not drunk, she was high.” She was charged with DUI. McNair was with her but not charged. He later made her bail.

Police are awaiting toxicology reports on both bodies.

Serpas said that even though both her name and McNair’s were on the Cadillac’s title, she was apparently responsible for making payments. She was also making payments on another car after she couldn’t sell it.

Kazemi had no history of violence, but “on the last several days of her life it’s obvious that she made some very poor decisions,” Serpas said.

Mechelle McNair has not spoken publicly since the shooting. Bishop Joseph W. Walker III of Mount Zion Baptist Church, which the McNairs have attended since moving to Nashville in 1997, said Wednesday that she is doing as well as can be expected.

“Her faith is what’s sustaining her now,” he said. “We haven’t talked about the circumstances of his death. She is processing it in a private way. It’s obviously devastating on so many levels.”

A memorial service is set for Thursday night in Nashville, with the funeral Saturday in his native Mississippi.

The four-time Pro Bowl quarterback was being remembered Wednesday at the stadium where he played much of his career. The Tennessee Titans opened LP Field for fans to watch video highlights of McNair’s 13-year NFL career and look at photos of the quarterback. There was also a book for them to write messages that will be given to the family.

McNair was known as “Air McNair” for his passing prowess at Alcorn State in Mississippi. In 2000, he helped lead the Titans to the Super Bowl, where they ended up a yard short of a touchdown on the last play of the game when they trailed by seven points.

He spent the last two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens before retiring from the NFL last year.

[Paul Neuhaus]

Why all the judgemental bickering?

Judge not, or you will be judged yourself.

God will judge you with the full measure that you judge others.

Aside from that.... Being judgemental of how Steve McNair lived his life will only bring undue stress to you, along with judgement from the highest court. Just move on with your life, be happy, and let God sort this out. If you judge them, you are no better, because you are being prideful, which is a sin that God dispizes. What Steve and his friend did is not subject to judgement from us, only from God. And I'm sure it has been dealt with, and this case has been closed in the highest court.

God bless them and their families.

[Pat Wilson]

why all the judgemental bickering?

Judge not, or you will be judged yourself.

God will judge you with the full measure that you judge others.

Aside from that.... Being judgemental of how steve mcnair lived his life will only bring undue stress to you, along with judgement from the highest court. Just move on with your life, be happy, and let god sort this out. If you judge them, you are no better, because you are being prideful, which is a sin that god dispizes. What steve and his friend did is not subject to judgement from us, only from god. And i'm sure it has been dealt with, and this case has been closed in the highest court.

God bless them and their families.

great post!