How about that UFC 100!

[Cody Brant]

I thought it was really good I LOVED hendo knocking bisping out, and i loved the GSP fight...

BUT..

What's with that 'main event'? That fight was so dumb..I guess we better expect all the heavyweight title fights to go that way from now on..haha Mir didn't even have a chance once that behemoth of a man laid on him..oh well overall it was a great night of fights I enjoyed them..what'd you guys think?

[Alex Klotz]

What was dumb about it?

[Matt Stiefel]

"I gonna have a Coors Light because Bud Light won't give me any money, then I'm gonna get on top of my wife..."

What a classless piece of crap. I didn't think the fight was all that bad though. Some of those shots at the end looked like they might of been in the back of the head, but it really didn't matter at that point anyway.

I think Dan was really trying to break Bisping's jaw to shut him up. That was so awesome.

[JustinLallemand]

"I gonna have a Coors Light because Bud Light won't give me any money, then I'm gonna get on top of my wife..."

What a classless piece of crap. I didn't think the fight was all that bad though. Some of those shots at the end looked like they might of been in the back of the head, but it really didn't matter at that point anyway.

I think Dan was really trying to break Bisping's jaw to shut him up. That was so awesome.


Haha. Can't stand Bisping ever since he talked crap on that deaf dude that beat him right after the fight.

I thought it was funny he said he knew it was over but laid one on him when he was out anyway. First time I've seen someone admit that...

[Mac Smith]

"I gonna have a Coors Light because Bud Light won't give me any money, then I'm gonna get on top of my wife..."

What a classless piece of crap. I didn't think the fight was all that bad though. Some of those shots at the end looked like they might of been in the back of the head, but it really didn't matter at that point anyway.

I think Dan was really trying to break Bisping's jaw to shut him up. That was so awesome.

Awfully judgemental don't you think? Does a fighter, or any athlete for that matter, have to be politically correct and polite after a fight/game/match/etc.? I wasn't a Brock fan, but I am now!!!! His postfight interview was epic!!!

Remember, possibly the greatest fighter of all time was called classless because of his mouth, but at the end of the day, he is still considered...THE GREATEST!!!!

[Easton Taylor]

Awfully judgemental don't you think? Does a fighter, or any athlete for that matter, have to be politically correct and polite after a fight/game/match/etc.? I wasn't a Brock fan, but I am now!!!! His postfight interview was epic!!!

Remember, possibly the greatest fighter of all time was called classless because of his mouth, but at the end of the day, he is still considered...THE GREATEST!!!!

Couldn't said it better! UFC 100 was pretty good. I think Hendo's KO was probably the best KO in UFC history.

[Brandon R.]

Remember, possibly the greatest fighter of all time was called classless because of his mouth, but at the end of the day, he is still considered...THE GREATEST!!!!

Funny, I always remember Fedor as a quiet guy. :D

[Tyler Shelgren]

Can someone fill me in on what happend? I did not really get a chance to catch it, San Marcos back up north to Marysville is a long drive and I cannot find anything on youtube, was it bisbing or Lesnar that said the coors light thing?

[Brian Carley]

Can someone fill me in on what happend? I did not really get a chance to catch it, San Marcos back up north to Marysville is a long drive and I cannot find anything on youtube, was it bisbing or Lesnar that said the coors light thing?

mmalinker.com it'll have every fight full length, where I watched the fights

[Matt Stiefel]

Can someone fill me in on what happend? I did not really get a chance to catch it, San Marcos back up north to Marysville is a long drive and I cannot find anything on youtube, was it bisbing or Lesnar that said the coors light thing?

Lesnar.



Awfully judgemental don't you think? Does a fighter, or any athlete for that matter, have to be politically correct and polite after a fight/game/match/etc.? I wasn't a Brock fan, but I am now!!!! His postfight interview was epic!!!

Remember, possibly the greatest fighter of all time was called classless because of his mouth, but at the end of the day, he is still considered...THE GREATEST!!!!

Seriously???

Calling his post fight interview "epic" is just as judgmental as what I said, only we disagree on the way we judge it. I find it somewhat annoying when guys talk a ton of trash before a fight, but if that is what it takes to get them up for it, or if that is the mental game with their opponent (which is what I think Ali did) then so be it. I just lose all respect for a person if they don't have the class to respect their opponent after a fight. Hughes and Serra showed respect, GSP and BJ did as well. Most of the really hot pre-fight rivalries end with class and respect.

Not touching gloves with Mir before the fight was classless.

Getting in Mir's face after he beat him down was classless.

Bashing the main sponsor for the event was classless.

I've never been a Lesnar hater, like a lot of my friends and other people have been. I think he has proven himself well as a fighter and has shown he deserves the title shot he got so early in his career. Really, the only thing I have disliked about him until last night is that ridiculous tattoo on his chest. Heck, I am a 280 pound dairy farmer myself so I always rooted for him. Some of you guys liked his post fight interview, I thought it showed him to be a complete piece of crap. We all have our opinions.

[Tony Moses]

Henderson is a beast! I do think clocking a guy when you know he is out cold is uncalled for, however, now that we all know Bisping didn't die from it, it is pretty funny given the history between the two and Bisping's big mouth.

The knockout with the right was brutal, and you knew it was coming because of Henderson's right and that fact that Bisping was walking right into Henderson's strong side since the opening seconds.

Great knockout, but not my all-time favorite . . . my all-time favorite is still the Rampage Jackson powerbomb on Arona, that may well be the coolest thing I have ever seen, lol.

[JustinLallemand]

Henderson is a beast! I do think clocking a guy when you know he is out cold is uncalled for, however, now that we all know Bisping didn't die from it, it is pretty funny given the history between the two and Bisping's big mouth.

The knockout with the right was brutal, and you knew it was coming because of Henderson's right and that fact that Bisping was walking right into Henderson's strong side since the opening seconds.

Great knockout, but not my all-time favorite . . . my all-time favorite is still the Rampage Jackson powerbomb on Arona, that may well be the coolest thing I have ever seen, lol.

Haha, powerbomb was awesome. I am biased though as a Shogun fan and loved the foot stomps. So I guess I'm kind of twisted.... I also liked that Bisping got popped even though he was out cold.

The main thing that Lesnar has said that I completely disagreed with wasn't from last night, but from a few months ago when he was completely disrespecting Fedor as if he is afraid to fight him. Fedor on the other hand, when asked about someone like Kimbo Slice even had some kind words (without completely disregarding the fact that he doesn't even belong in the same ring).

I prefer Fedor's robot mentality, but got to admit, Lesnar did bring a lot of attention and it's funny that Dana White likes him now, but would probably turn on him in a second if he lost two fights in a row. One thing Lesnar has shown is that contrary to what a lot of people say, size/strength do make a difference. It's obvious, or they wouldn't bother with weight classes....

One other observation: Can you imagine how good Lesnar would be if he had started training MMA at 18 y.o.? He is a great athelete IMO. Fedor has fought a lot of big, strong guys before though (including his brother in training).

Another thing about White - he bashes people and companies constantly, but had to get on Lesnar's case not for the sacred image of UFC, but because Budweiser is a big sponsor. He is completely milking this - but I can't really blame him. The only thing I dislike is the monopoly he is trying to create... Without other leagues, no one can really make it to UFC other than through "Ultimate Fighter."

[JustinLallemand]

Awfully judgemental don't you think? Does a fighter, or any athlete for that matter, have to be politically correct and polite after a fight/game/match/etc.? I wasn't a Brock fan, but I am now!!!! His postfight interview was epic!!!

Remember, possibly the greatest fighter of all time was called classless because of his mouth, but at the end of the day, he is still considered...THE GREATEST!!!!

I have to say, after watching the HBO special on Frazier and Ali, my perspective of Ali was completely changed. Frazier did a ton to help Ali when he was out for 3 or 4 years: gave him money, lobbied for his fight card, etc. In return, Ali dumped on him and his family, IMO. I know everyone loves Ali and he was an exciting fighter for sure, but I wasn't aware of all of this behind the scenes stuff.

One thing is for sure - Frazier still hates him. And when they fought the fight in Manilla, they were both there to beat down the other guy. (One other thing I learned: Frazier had been pretty much blind in his right eye since he was in his mid-twenties. Amazing.)

I don't argue that Ali is still considered the Greatest by nearly everyone!!!!! If you get a chance to watch that documentary, do so: "Thrilla in Manilla."

(SORRY for getting way off track!)

[Paul Neuhaus]

Unfortunately, I missed it.

Does anyone have a links to footage of the fights, and the post-fight interviews?

[Alex Klotz]

www.myvideofight.com

[rjpe99]

Funny, I always remember Fedor as a quiet guy. :D


LOL I don't think there is anyone in the UFC that can beat Brock right now. When Fedor's contract is up with Affliction Dana White will pay Fedor more money than anyone has ever made in the UFC and then Brock will get his ass handed to him by the badest man on the planet!

[Easton Taylor]

LOL I don't think there is anyone in the UFC that can beat Brock right now. When Fedor's contract is up with Affliction Dana White will pay Fedor more money than anyone has ever made in the UFC and then Brock will get his ass handed to him by the badest man on the planet!

I agree, Fedor is the best.

[davebeers]

remember that brock was a wrestler for quite a while, his post-fight speech could just be old habits

[Foster Parnell]

exactly brock was a wrestler im pretty sure that he went to classes to be like that he is an actor regardless of how he did it the crowd got going and i garuntee next time he fights even more people will be watching cause he is exciting to watch. On the other hand i dont think fedor could take him unless he did what he did in the first fight with mir basically handed him his ankle on a silver platter.

[Mac Smith]

I have to say, after watching the HBO special on Frazier and Ali, my perspective of Ali was completely changed. Frazier did a ton to help Ali when he was out for 3 or 4 years: gave him money, lobbied for his fight card, etc. In return, Ali dumped on him and his family, IMO. I know everyone loves Ali and he was an exciting fighter for sure, but I wasn't aware of all of this behind the scenes stuff.

One thing is for sure - Frazier still hates him. And when they fought the fight in Manilla, they were both there to beat down the other guy. (One other thing I learned: Frazier had been pretty much blind in his right eye since he was in his mid-twenties. Amazing.)

I don't argue that Ali is still considered the Greatest by nearly everyone!!!!! If you get a chance to watch that documentary, do so: "Thrilla in Manilla."

(SORRY for getting way off track!)

Saw it, thought it was great, but I knew that story already. If you saw the movie Ali, it touched on that as well. But that documentary was from Frazier's perspective (finally). I'm not saying Ali was a saint. What I was saying is that he ability to move people (both positively and negatively) doesn't discount his ability in the ring. However you look at it, you cannot deny Ali's place in greatness, not because of his mouth, but rather because of his ability in the ring. There have been many fighters like this over the years.

Some would argue that Joe Louis was the greatest of all time, but he played the quite role (do some research as to why he HAD to play that role).

Fedor is robot like but let's face it, outside of MMA, no one knows Fedor. He's almost like a myth/legend. Very few have seen him fight (as compared to other fighters). Lesnar will extend MMA's popularity. Every sport needs a bad guy!!! That stuff sales!!!

[Arnell Castillo]

where was the f5 ? i was waiting for an f5 . lol...j/k Brock is an animal ! he was an animal in the wwe and he's an animal now doing mma .

[AaRoNSnider]

I loved the Lesnar fight,and his post fight interview.I dont blame him for anything that he said.What does the guy have to do to get some respect,and make people to see that WWE was just a job?He gets tattoos about his feelings about the wwe,says that he didnt even like doing it,and is proving himself in UFC,yet people still make comments about him being a pro wrestler and how "UFC is real.WWE is not".The guy has tons of money,a smokin hot wife,and is tearing it up in the UFC..he really doesnt need to market himself,or win over fans.All he has to do is train hard,and keep doing as well as he has.Even if he started to lose its no sweat off of his back.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

exactly brock was a wrestler im pretty sure that he went to classes to be like that he is an i dont think fedor could take him unless he did what he did in the first fight with mir basically handed him his ankle on a silver platter.


I think its really hard to justify anyone beating Fedor until he actually does get beaten by more than a stray elbow to the face in a knockout competition. Mir was looking for that armbar in the 1st round, I'd guarantee Fedor would have got it.
It's all speculation really until Fedor actually does get beaten. There is little chance of that happening until Dana lets the money talk. Till then, Brock will bring in the fans, cause as Mac said, he's well known and a freak.

[Kevin Cronin]

Here's another vote for hating Lesnar. And it has nothing to do with the WWF. Maybe it's a double standard that I loved Hendo throwing in the extra right on Bisping, but thought it was crap for Lesnar to get in Mir's face after the fight. Maybe I dont know enough about what Mir said before the fight to justify why Brock was so pissed - I really hadnt heard much pre-fight buildup. But nothing Lesnar did from the time he got in the cage to the time he left made me like him, quite the contrary. Just my opinion.

[JohnCook]

Hendo knocking Bisping's head into the 10th row was by far my favorite part of the night. I have a new favorite all time MMA knockout.

I thought Brock's antics were a bit much, but they didn't really bother me as much as some. Mir did do his share of trash talking before the fight. Then he did nothing to back it up. Brock could have laid off a bit though.

Now hopefully Fedor will take out Barnett at Affliction 3 like he should and then Dana will give Fedor an offer he can actually accept. I would go with Fedor in this fight although I'm definitely not going to count Brock out from any fight. The guy has definitely proven that he is legit.

[AaRoNSnider]

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/07/12/brock-lesnar-apologizes-for-post-fight-antics/


Brock later appologized.Heck,Ive seen interviews with Dana White where he talks unprofessionaly and comes off as a real jack ass,but its his company I guess.I think I personally would have tried to keep myself from letting my emotions get the best of me,but with all of the trash Mir was talking,I still dont really blame him.I guess I just dont think its as big of a deal as everyone is making it out to be.

[Paul_Koskinen]

All due respect but Strongman doesn't need the likes of Brock Lesnar regardless of talent.
Not that he's ever switching over but his nonsense is easier to sweep under the rug in big money sports.
I'll take someone like Jesse Marunde any day who represented athleticism and self-respect.

[Dennis Ruygrok]

Lesnar is a pthetic excuse for a representation of the sport. The idiot should be fined, suspended and publicly have to apologize for his ridiculous remarks on the microphone.
If he was any sort of real sport he wouldn't have said or done any of those things.

[Matt Schumann]

We just got back from vaca and ordered it (i actually made it without finding out the results!) I thought every fight was awesome! Henderson's knockout was great. GSP is still unreal, I really hope the Anderson Silva fight works out.

I thought Lesnar did a great job. Didnt get to excited, and just worked his game. I also enjoyed the post fight entertainment! I can see why alot of ppl were rubbed the wrong way but I took it as entertainment. It just add's a interesting twist.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

10 bucks the apology was due to the Bud comment more than anything. Got to keep the ones with $$ happy. I'd never speak like he did, but honestly I don't see what the fuss is about.

[WesleyInman]

I don't know about Lesnar. I think that he is bigger and stronger than anyone in the UFC right now, but I don't think he has the expertise he will need to stay on top, maybe he will get it. This may compare apples to oranges, but I'd put my life savings on mid 1990's 190lb Joyce Gracie versus 2009 Brock Lesnar. I don't think size and strength only will prosper. Kind of reminds me of Kimbo.

The Henderson fight was great, nice knockout.

The GSP fight disappointed me. I am a big GSP fan, and I'm glad he won, I just didn't see it going all rounds.

Thanks to whoever posted that link to the online fights!!

[Brandon R.]

I think Brock is an example of why the UFC needs a superheavy/unlimited weight class. Mir weighed 240(maybe?) at the weigh ins, Brock dehydrated from ~290 to make 265. Obviously having a 40-50lb difference after re-hydration is going to make a difference.

And if Brock is so impressive with jsut his wrestling, then think of how good one of the greatest wrestlers ever would be. I'm talking about Alexander "The Experiment" Karelin.

Clean and Pressing 420lbs, Karelin Lift 300lb opponents, 13 years undefeated, etc. He would be one of the most dominant fighters ever. I think if he went to MMA instead of wrestling (if it was around then), we'd be talking about him instead of Fedor.

[Jay O'Neill]

If someone wnats to shut Lesnar up... all they have to do is get in the Octagon. He has earned his right to speak his mind. Mir was a cocky ass clown and had his mouth shut for him.

[JustinLallemand]

Saw it, thought it was great, but I knew that story already. If you saw the movie Ali, it touched on that as well. But that documentary was from Frazier's perspective (finally). I'm not saying Ali was a saint. What I was saying is that he ability to move people (both positively and negatively) doesn't discount his ability in the ring. However you look at it, you cannot deny Ali's place in greatness, not because of his mouth, but rather because of his ability in the ring. There have been many fighters like this over the years.

Some would argue that Joe Louis was the greatest of all time, but he played the quite role (do some research as to why he HAD to play that role).

Fedor is robot like but let's face it, outside of MMA, no one knows Fedor. He's almost like a myth/legend. Very few have seen him fight (as compared to other fighters). Lesnar will extend MMA's popularity. Every sport needs a bad guy!!! That stuff sales!!!

You're definitely right about Ali's charisma. Here's the best example I heard: he sold half of the rights to use his name for $50 million while Frazier is pretty much broke. And that man could dodge punches in a way that was supernatural. The way Foreman destroyed Frazier, who would have thought Ali could have done what he did to Foreman? (BTW, didn't Foreman look like a freakin' beast!)

Also right on MMA. The vast majority of MMA fans in the US never even heard of Pride prior to the buyout, so they just hear Fedor this / that. Maybe they at least looked it up on youtube, haha!

(I have an idea about Louis' quite roll, but as you can tell by me learning so much from the documentary, I'm not a big boxing historian. But man, those guys were certainly more fun to watch than the guys today that jab for a living.)

And I think Lesnar just brought a few more WWE crossover fans after that stuff! Nothing wrong with that. I think it's just that in SM, there is such a level of respect for most all guys, so it comes off irritating. The loudest guys in SM are quieter than the quietest of MMA!!!! Just their nature I guess. But Dana White is a hypocrite...

And back to Ali, my guess is he didn't think about what all he was doing to Frazier through all of that and was being a showman as well. It probably hit home more later, but Frazier will never forgive or forget.

(GOOD POINTS, BTW)

[Paul Neuhaus]

If someone wnats to shut Lesnar up... all they have to do is get in the Octagon. He has earned his right to speak his mind. Mir was a cocky ass clown and had his mouth shut for him.

AMEN!! You are the object of my man crush!! HAHHA!

[JustinLallemand]

I don't know about Lesnar. I think that he is bigger and stronger than anyone in the UFC right now, but I don't think he has the expertise he will need to stay on top, maybe he will get it. This may compare apples to oranges, but I'd put my life savings on mid 1990's 190lb Joyce Gracie versus 2009 Brock Lesnar. I don't think size and strength only will prosper. Kind of reminds me of Kimbo.

The Henderson fight was great, nice knockout.

The GSP fight disappointed me. I am a big GSP fan, and I'm glad he won, I just didn't see it going all rounds.

Thanks to whoever posted that link to the online fights!!

Only thing is the HW division has been so weak over the past few years. It seems like there is a new champ every three months and all it takes is one fight - then a title fight. I thought the Pride guys would change that, but there must be something to changing to the octogon and with the change in rules (and I don't like most of them). I could tell a lot of guys were hesitating when they first came over and had to think about the rules instead of simply react. It seems like they are just now getting comfortable with it.

The one exception: I would expect Fedor to have been training with the new rules and be prepared if / when he makes it over.

Who have the HW champs been recently? Couture (44 or so), Tim Sylvia, Mir, Barnet (who is pretty good), Arlovski (inconsistent), and a couple others just in the past 5 years or so. I think Lesnar has a shot at staying on top for a while. He cuts weight like crazy, so you know he's at least 285-290 and generally fighting a natural 225 guy a lot of times. And Lesnar is WAY better than Kimbo Slice. Slice beat up on out of shape dudes in Florida using crap boxing technique and put it on youtube.

[Brandon R.]

Slice beat up on out of shape dudes in Florida using crap boxing technique and put it on youtube.

Don't forget Sean Gannon. Beat Kimbo and then got destroyed in the UFC.

[Tony Moses]

Serious question for the people who compare Lesnar (a former NCAA heavyweight champ and a 2 time Big 10 wrestling champ) to Bob Sapp, or worse yet, Kimbo. Do any of you honestly feel Kimbo could fight Mir, Couture, or Heath Herring and live to tell about it?

I'm being totally serious too . . . If the people who say Lesnar is unskilled could just articulate why they feel that way, I am curious . . . I'm not picking an e-fight with anyone, I am honestly just curious if anybody who says Lesnar isn't that good can articulate a reasonable reason why they think that, because your opinion (which you're perfectly entitled to) is exactly the opposite of what every MMA coach, fighter, expert and insider on the face of the planet thinks. Do you guys have any clue how hard it would be and how much skill it would require to so much as score one single take down on a guy the caliber of Frank Mir or Randy Couture? I'm 100% serious and not looking for an argument here . . . dominating wins over Herring, Couture, and Mir aren't exactly cell phone vids showing somebody beat up guys who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

[Kevin Dunkerton]

It gets old watching fighters say they hate each other and then hug after the fight. Lesnar said he was going to win and that he didn't like Mir. He won the fight and afterwards he still didn't like Mir. At least he's consistent.

Personally, I think Lesnar is holding the belt for Velasquez or Fedor. Whoever gets there first.

[Jay O'Neill]

Serious question for the people who compare Lesnar (a former NCAA heavyweight champ and a 2 time Big 10 wrestling champ) to Bob Sapp, or worse yet, Kimbo. Do any of you honestly feel Kimbo could fight Mir, Couture, or Heath Herring and live to tell about it?

I'm being totally serious too . . . If the people who say Lesnar is unskilled could just articulate why they feel that way, I am curious . . . I'm not picking an e-fight with anyone, I am honestly just curious if anybody who says Lesnar isn't that good can articulate a reasonable reason why they think that, because your opinion (which you're perfectly entitled to) is exactly the opposite of what every MMA coach, fighter, expert and insider on the face of the planet thinks. Do you guys have any clue how hard it would be and how much skill it would require to so much as score one single take down on a guy the caliber of Frank Mir or Randy Couture? I'm 100% serious and not looking for an argument here . . . dominating wins over Herring, Couture, and Mir aren't exactly cell phone vids showing somebody beat up guys who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

Seriously the post yet! I agree 100 percent! everyone gets lost in the Pro-wrestler Lesnar... they forget what he did prior to that. He gave up millions in wrestling to become a legitimate Pro MMA fighter. That being said... ProWrestlers are true athletes and if any one doubts that take a workout with a Prowrestling school.
I Digress, however... Lesnar goes in to Octagon and backs up everything he says. I think people dont like him because he does just that.
My friends are like..."all he did was lay on him and Punch...." Ah... yeah. But in order to get to that point he had to take him down and control his wrists. "Well he laid on him and he couldnt get up" Mir is a Brazilian Jui Jitsu expert... Im pretty sure Joyce Gracie got away from and beat guys that out weighed him.
All excuses by a bunch of Haters...

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

I'm starting to like this thread.

Street brawlers don't take down guys like Mir, nor do they manage to avoid being submitted.

The GSP vs Alves fight was awesome, I'm amazed people found it boring/uninspiring etc.

[GregMonfredo]

Also everyone needs to go back and watch the end of the Mir / Lesnar fight. As Mir was trying to scramble to his feet he was the one that tried to get around the ref as if he was going to go after Lesnar. It's not like Lesnar got in Mir's face for no reason.

[Mike Landrich]

My friends are like..."all he did was lay on him and Punch...."


I love those type of comments. Like any fighter should be putting on a show of techniques. If laying on him and punching works, do it!. You don't get style points. You either win or lose, nothing else matters.

[BillTenbroeck]

The UFC needs someone like Brock Lesnar. The heavyweight division was B-O-R-I-N-G before Lesnar showed up. The guy is an all around awesome athlete. I like it when a guy shows his true feelings toward his opposition.

This is the UFC. The guys are there to beat the cr@p out of each other. You don't have to be buddy-buddy afterwords.

[Wes Richardson]

I'm not into this stuff like a lot of you guys but wow, they definitely did not look like they were in the same weight class??? Hows that work is it just like strongman or powerlifting where Super Heavy weight is just anything over a certain weight?

[D.J. Satterfield]

No, he has to be 265 at weigh-ins and then loads back up 20+ lbs. before the fight.

[Cody Brant]

I agree with what everyone is saying about lesnar, he belongs in the UFC and is a great athlete, the only reason i thought it was dumb was that it didnt seem like he did much..and that's easy to say from a spectators perspective and I would have done the same thing in lesnars shoes if it was working but they were talking in all the pre-fight interviews how he had all these HW BJJ guys come in and work with lesnar and he was really prepared especially with 2 years of training under his belt, I would have figured he knew he would be able to control Mir as he is a freakishly huge man, and he wasn't going to get caught and he knew that, why not have made some transitions, he was in half guard a lot why not have went to mount or something like that..I'm sure the next title match he will open back up like in the herring fight and show us what hes truly capable of..just my opinion, I'm also thinking someone like Shane Carwin could step up..hes 6'3 and a lean 265..hes an excellent wrestler and pretty strong..hes like 11-0 now and has a KO over gabriel gonzaga..I think it could make a good fight, that or Cain Velasquez or Cheick Kongo perhaps?

[DKirby]

The Lesnar show
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar071209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Brandon R.]

The Lesnar show
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar071209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Lesnar got paid 400k not the $3 million the article said.

UFC 100 Salaries and Bonuses (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9153&zoneid=13)

Mir got robbed money wise. 45 show and 45 win? Brock got 400 just to show. Henderson got 100 show 150 win plus the 100k KO of the night. For the guy in the main event, Mir needs more $.

[Andy Vincent]

Lesnar got paid 400k not the $3 million the article said.

UFC 100 Salaries and Bonuses (http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=9153&zoneid=13)

Mir got robbed money wise. 45 show and 45 win? Brock got 400 just to show. Henderson got 100 show 150 win plus the 100k KO of the night. For the guy in the main event, Mir needs more $.

Mir needs an agent with better negotiation skills.

[Kalle Beck]

I agree with what everyone is saying about lesnar, he belongs in the UFC and is a great athlete, the only reason i thought it was dumb was that it didnt seem like he did much..and that's easy to say from a spectators perspective and I would have done the same thing in lesnars shoes if it was working but they were talking in all the pre-fight interviews how he had all these HW BJJ guys come in and work with lesnar and he was really prepared especially with 2 years of training under his belt, I would have figured he knew he would be able to control Mir as he is a freakishly huge man, and he wasn't going to get caught and he knew that, why not have made some transitions, he was in half guard a lot why not have went to mount or something like that..I'm sure the next title match he will open back up like in the herring fight and show us what hes truly capable of..just my opinion, I'm also thinking someone like Shane Carwin could step up..hes 6'3 and a lean 265..hes an excellent wrestler and pretty strong..hes like 11-0 now and has a KO over gabriel gonzaga..I think it could make a good fight, that or Cain Velasquez or Cheick Kongo perhaps?


Lesnar knocked Mir out punching from the half guard. He had no need to improve his position.

Dana White has said Lesnar will most likely fight the winner of Shane Carwin vs Cain Velasquez. I think more likely if Shane wins.

Cheick Kongo is no way in title contention after getting mauled by Cain Velasquez.

[Cody Brant]

I understand lesnar was abusing him from half guard and had no need to improve position but I wanted to see how much he's improved as a fighter..I can tell quite a bit..but yeah I figured Cain and Shane were going to go at it, I still feel bad for Kongo though he was on a great win streak now hes back at the bottom of the totem pole, I've always been a fan of him..he's a very well respected fighter..but yeah I think Carwin vs Lesnar would be a brawl for sure..it'd be a good fight I think

[Jay O'Neill]

Mir needs an agent with better negotiation skills.

Actually Mir Needed an ambulance more then an agent...hahaha

[JohnCook]

My feeling is that Carwin is going to be next in line for a title shot. I think he'll beat Velasquez in a close fight. I don't give Carwin much of a chance against Lesnar though. IMO he's just a slightly smaller, inferior version of Lesnar. Same could be said for Velasquez. IMO what it's going to take to beat Lesnar is a guy that can stuff his takedowns who also has tight standup....not just alot of power in their hands like Carwin. Which that could be a tall order. The only other scenario I can see that could result in Lesnar losing is if our favorite chubby Russian fighter decides to sign with the UFC.

As for Kongo.....why not match him up with Mir? I also wouldn't mind seeing either Mir or Kongo fight Dos Santos.

[JustinLallemand]

Serious question for the people who compare Lesnar (a former NCAA heavyweight champ and a 2 time Big 10 wrestling champ) to Bob Sapp, or worse yet, Kimbo. Do any of you honestly feel Kimbo could fight Mir, Couture, or Heath Herring and live to tell about it?

I'm being totally serious too . . . If the people who say Lesnar is unskilled could just articulate why they feel that way, I am curious . . . I'm not picking an e-fight with anyone, I am honestly just curious if anybody who says Lesnar isn't that good can articulate a reasonable reason why they think that, because your opinion (which you're perfectly entitled to) is exactly the opposite of what every MMA coach, fighter, expert and insider on the face of the planet thinks. Do you guys have any clue how hard it would be and how much skill it would require to so much as score one single take down on a guy the caliber of Frank Mir or Randy Couture? I'm 100% serious and not looking for an argument here . . . dominating wins over Herring, Couture, and Mir aren't exactly cell phone vids showing somebody beat up guys who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag.

I think Lesnar has great skill and for him to do what he has in such a short amount of time is amazing. You can't JUST be strong and big, so he has to have skills and they keep getting better. (So I hope this isn't in response to my comment.) You have to admit that the HW division has been relatively weak to the LHW and Middleweights in UFC and I think Lesnar will stay on top because of that. Couture is awesome and a freak of nature, but even he would admit a 44 year old being HW champ is a bit of a stretch. That belt has been a revolving door. (I could see someone making an argument that all of the Pride HW's have looked like crap, and I would have to agree, begrudgingly.)

The guys an AWESOME athelete. He is the NCAA champ, pro wrestler, made an NFL team, and wins HW title in UFC after 5 fights. I don't think there is another HW that looks to be a great contender at this point. Although I would never trust Big Nog and a few other guys... I don't think you could say Fedor will walk through him either. And trust me, Fedor will not take this guy lightly. He's got a lot of advantages that Fedor would have to overcome.

All in all, fights that haven't happened are just speculation. And after seeing some of my favorite Pride fighters get beat in the UFC (Crocop being the biggest disappointment thus far), you really can't expect a sure thing. One thing Fedor has dominated at is ground and pound - I don't expect him to be able to throttle Lesnar like that. (All of this assumes he even gets signed.)

Another point someone brought up: why are weight classes limited at 265? Pride was anything over 205. But the guys that weighed 230 or so were the dominant HW's there. This rules out another guys I like - Mark Hunt!

Really, just a bunch of words until he fights someone else. I DEFINITELY don't think Kimbo or Bob Sapp are even on the same plane as Lesnar. As White would say - they are sideshows. Mir is not. So overall, I agree with you.

One last thing - completely off the subject: Why do contracts not forbid these guys from riding motorcycles? Mir, Ben Roethlisberger, Kellen Winslow, Jason Williams (NBA), etc. I guess I don't understand the appeal since I don't ride myself.

(I have about 5 posts in this one, so I promise I'll quit, lol.)

[Mac Smith]

I think Lesnar has great skill and for him to do what he has in such a short amount of time is amazing. You can't JUST be strong and big, so he has to have skills and they keep getting better. (So I hope this isn't in response to my comment.) You have to admit that the HW division has been relatively weak to the LHW and Middleweights in UFC and I think Lesnar will stay on top because of that. Couture is awesome and a freak of nature, but even he would admit a 44 year old being HW champ is a bit of a stretch. That belt has been a revolving door. (I could see someone making an argument that all of the Pride HW's have looked like crap, and I would have to agree, begrudgingly.)

The guys an AWESOME athelete. He is the NCAA champ, pro wrestler, made an NFL team, and wins HW title in UFC after 5 fights. I don't think there is another HW that looks to be a great contender at this point. Although I would never trust Big Nog and a few other guys... I don't think you could say Fedor will walk through him either. And trust me, Fedor will not take this guy lightly. He's got a lot of advantages that Fedor would have to overcome.

All in all, fights that haven't happened are just speculation. And after seeing some of my favorite Pride fighters get beat in the UFC (Crocop being the biggest disappointment thus far), you really can't expect a sure thing. One thing Fedor has dominated at is ground and pound - I don't expect him to be able to throttle Lesnar like that. (All of this assumes he even gets signed.)

Another point someone brought up: why are weight classes limited at 265? Pride was anything over 205. But the guys that weighed 230 or so were the dominant HW's there. This rules out another guys I like - Mark Hunt!

Really, just a bunch of words until he fights someone else. I DEFINITELY don't think Kimbo or Bob Sapp are even on the same plane as Lesnar. As White would say - they are sideshows. Mir is not. So overall, I agree with you.

One last thing - completely off the subject: Why do contracts not forbid these guys from riding motorcycles? Mir, Ben Roethlisberger, Kellen Winslow, Jason Williams (NBA), etc. I guess I don't understand the appeal since I don't ride myself.

(I have about 5 posts in this one, so I promise I'll quit, lol.)

Correction, he tried out for an NFL team and was cut...LOL!!! Still the man is a freak of an athlete. But like many other sports, just because you're an awesome athlete doesn't mean you can always transition from sport to sport. Look at Micheal Jordan and baseball, the Giants wanted to work out Usain Bolt (100 & 200 meter record holder) until they found out he couldn't catch a cold!!! LOL!!!

Again, I feel everyone's concern about his lack of sportsmanship, but I wish people would recognize that not everyone subscribes to the same definition of sportsmanship. AND PLEASE LET'S STOP COMPARING IT TO STRONGMAN!!! Some of the most cocky people are strongmen but just because they don't present that to the public doesn't make them better than Brock or Mayweather or any other athlete that is honest about their persona. Believe me, as strongman continues to grow, there will be a 'Bad Guy' who stands out and is able to talk all the smack he wants because he is 'that damned good'!! That is what Brock has done, (like Jay posted earlier, excellent post BTW brotha)he is 'THAT DAMNED GOOD', so he is entitled to say what he pleases until someone else shuts him up.

Even if he isn't that way in 'real life', he knows what sales. IMO, every sport needs a bad guy to root against. Now people will buy his fights to see him dominate or to see him get whooped, either way, people will buy. Last time I checked, Fedor hasn't sold nearly as many PPVs as Brock and he has been fighting much longer.

[JohnCook]

Last time I checked, Fedor hasn't sold nearly as many PPVs as Brock and he has been fighting much longer.

This is true, but I think the bigger reason for that is that Brock fights in the UFC. Fedor fights for Affliction. The average fan doesn't even know the sport is called MMA. They call it "ultimate fighting". I still see that term used by sports analysts from time to time which boggles my mind. When Brock fought his first fight in K1 he didn't exactly break the box office either. Point being, if Fedor fights in the UFC then I think you'll see the number of PPVs his fights sell increase substantially. The UFC just has a massive monopoly on the sport in the US right now. The way it's going they probably always will.

[Mac Smith]

This is true, but I think the bigger reason for that is that Brock fights in the UFC. Fedor fights for Affliction. The average fan doesn't even know the sport is called MMA. They call it "ultimate fighting". I still see that term used by sports analysts from time to time which boggles my mind. When Brock fought his first fight in K1 he didn't exactly break the box office either. Point being, if Fedor fights in the UFC then I think you'll see the number of PPVs his fights sell increase substantially. The UFC just has a massive monopoly on the sport in the US right now. The way it's going they probably always will.

If he wins...that's the point I'm making. Brock came into the UFC, loss his first fight because of impatience and then has run amok since then. Fedor would have to come in and win. Everyone thought CroCop would do well in the UFC but look what happened. I know Fedor is on a whole 'nother level than CroCop, but let's face it, his lack of activity isn't the best recipe for success. Still I believe if Fedor comes in and wins, he will still never be the the draw Lesnar is because he lacks personality. Very similar to the debate between Mariusz and Savickas.

[Kevin Cronin]

Now people will buy his fights to see him dominate or to see him get whooped, either way, people will buy. Last time I checked, Fedor hasn't sold nearly as many PPVs as Brock and he has been fighting much longer.
Over the course of his career, or one ppv? Because I have to believe that Fedor's umpteen fights in Pride have sold many, many more ppvs than brock vs. mir I, heath, randy and mir II (am I missing one?) put together, I don't care HOW popular this one was. The people in Japan love their mma. I'm not sure about that one tho

[JohnCook]

If he wins...that's the point I'm making. Brock came into the UFC, loss his first fight because of impatience and then has run amok since then. Fedor would have to come in and win. Everyone thought CroCop would do well in the UFC but look what happened. I know Fedor is on a whole 'nother level than CroCop, but let's face it, his lack of activity isn't the best recipe for success. Still I believe if Fedor comes in and wins, he will still never be the the draw Lesnar is because he lacks personality. Very similar to the debate between Mariusz and Savickas.

I wouldn't really call it a lack of activity. He's more active then a lot of people give him credit for. After the Sylvia fight he was placed on a medical suspension because of his hand. He still trained and competed in Sambo. The guy lives and breathes combat sports. He has for the majority of his life. His next fight is on August 1 against Josh Barnett at the 3rd Affliction PPV. After that, his contract with Affliction will be up. So the UFC will have another chance to go to the negotiation tables. Hopefully things turn out better this time.

People need to stop with the Cro Cop comparisons. Cro Cop failed because his mental game isn't there plus he refused to try to adapt his style to fighting in an octagon that doesn't have corners like a ring. You take away the ring, soccer kicks and head stomps from a fighter like Mirko and you take away a large chunk of his arsenal of weapons. Especially the Mirko that came into the UFC. At that point the guy had almost completely quit using his hands. Instead he would just stalk his opponents relying on his left leg to do all the work. Not to mention all the injuries he's had in the last few years that have limited his abilities. None of that can be applied to Fedor. IMO his game will only become stronger in the cage. His chances of winning in the octagon are very high. The guy is 30-1 and he's 6-0 against former UFC HW champs. If he wins on August 1 that'll make him 7-0 against former UFC HW champs.

I agree with you that Lesnar will likely always be a bigger draw then Emelianenko even if both were fighting in the UFC. But the difference if both were in the UFC compared to now with Emelianenko fighting in a lesser known organization is going to be substantially smaller. That was my only point with my other post. Lesnar is definitely a big box office draw. I actually don't have much of a problem with his antics either. I have more respect for a fighter like Fedor who remains humble, but I'm not going to get all bent out of shape about what Lesnar does either. At the end of the day, like has already been said, all anybody that has a problem with him needs to do, is step in the cage and *attempt* to shut him up.

[Tony Moses]

I'm hoping Dana White makes Fedor an offer he can't refuse. I'd like to see him get a chance at becoming a household name.

Anybody who played high school or college sports can appreciate Fedor because we've all had that Fedor-like encounter once. He's that guy that you wrestle against or line up across from on a football field and you just salivate and think to yourself, "who the hell is this guy, he looks Homer Simpson," then when the match starts or the ball is snapped, you find out quick that he's a STUD, and you're in total disbelief, lol.

[Brandon R.]

I think Dana just said that Fedor will eventually be in the UFC because he believes that there will be no where else for Fedor to go. He's constantly saying how Affliction will fold, and I guess he sees the UFC as the only major option left. I think that Fedor is more likely to go to Dream before the UFC.

One of the major things holding Fedor back is the sambo competitions. Thats something he won't give up. I can't imagine Dana wanting his new prize to get hurt. That and the clause saying that if Fedor wins the title he can't leave until he loses it. Plus the UFC will have to start paying 1 million+ just to start getting anywhere close to what Fedor must be getting paid. Not sure how they'll feel about that.

What else could Dana say? "We want Fedor but only if he bows down to the infallible UFC." He had to say what he said. Only smart thing to do.

[JustinLallemand]

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