Strongest bodybuilder????

[John Majefski]

Hey just wondering does anyone know how this turned out?

[Colton Streck]

Jonny Jackson Beat Ben white link has the video of the lifts and stan efferding showing up
http://www.rxmuscle.com/videos/c-interviews/800-johnnie-jackson-defeats-ben-white-at-the-2009-olympia-worlds-strongest-bodybuilder.html

[BillTenbroeck]

That was not much of a comp. They should have let stan enter when he came up to make it intersting. JJ destroyed Ben with the DL no suprise there.

[Lance Holland-Keen]

So do you not have to get your hips right through at the top of a deadlift then ?
Or was it the camera angle?
I'm not criticising the form or strength of Jackson by the way - but what do other people think?

[Alex Klotz]

Ronnie Coleman has a video of him deadlifting 800 pounds for a double. Impressive by any standard.

[Chris Weaver]

Ben White only pulled 633. World's Strongest Bodybuilder indeed.

[Mac Smith]

THAT WAS AWESOME!!! It was a great thing for bodybuilding. Stan's presence made it interesting. Looks like this can get real big next year!!!! I love the back and forth between the three. Look for other pro bodybuilders to get involved.

[JohnCook]

Wtf......the one dude missed at 637?

They should have let Stan step up and lift.

[Darin Heltemes]

I agree that the 815 didn't look locked out, but he ripped it off the floor with some sick speed. Efferding is hilarious.

[Nick Best]

Yeah I saw it his hips were not through!

Who cares who the strongest BB is anyway? If the 3 of them want attention, then be better body builders!! Say like Jay Cutler! If they want attention for being strong then LIFT against someone who is actually strong! Stan put up his hummer and $20,000 to do a raw PL contest! I would gleefully throw down for this and beat all 3 of them!

Nick

[Lance Holland-Keen]

Awesome - Nick Best agrees with me !
Do you need to be an IFBB pro, Nick - or just an IFBB member?

Then again, this is just a little stunt to make a posing competition more interesting.
Jackson and White clearly didn't appreciate the possibility of Stan lifting - but why was it just a head to head with those 2 anyway.

And why do I even care?

[Ryan Phillips]

I would gleefully throw down for this and beat all 3 of them!

haha awesome! what are your best raw lifts nick? you do realize Stan has a 2221lb raw total though?

[Nick Best]

Ryan,

Yes I realize that and WILL beat that!!! By the by the last time I checked Kaz or Rindout(spelling) both went over 2400 before there was suits!

Nick

[Ryan Phillips]

Yes I realize that and WILL beat that!!!

i do not doubt that at all!! :D

do it up man!!

[Chris Weaver]

By the by the last time I checked Kaz or Rindout(spelling) both went over 2400 before there was suits!

Nick

Back when powerlifting meant you were strong.

[Nick Best]

Amen Chris!!!!!!!

[BradyJones]

Ryan,

Yes I realize that and WILL beat that!!! By the by the last time I checked Kaz or Rindout(spelling) both went over 2400 before there was suits!

Nick

the gear was different, but kaz used a marathon suit on his sq and a primitive suit on his dl, bench was raw. as far as rein he was suited on sq and dl like kaz to total 2425. but absolutely sick raw power nonetheless from both men and still 2 of the strongest humans to ever live!

[Anthony Esquerdo]

Give Stan some credit for a bodybuilder to be such a strong raw power lifter and in he 275 class is awesome.

Not to go out on a limb but too many strongmen IMO focus more on technique then overall strength. I have dead lifted 595 just a belt no straps no hitch, and anyone who has seen me deadlift in person you can tell I do not have any technique at all lol Relevance is I know some really strong strong men around my weight who pull less, but can load 405 stones while I am still battling with 360 not to say they can't do it, some feel they just don't have too.It depends on what the competition is.

Point is Johnnie,Ben and Stan are battling over powerlifting as a basis for strength in bb world and stan blows there numbers out of the water.

On a side note you got bber's like lou ferrigno and franco columbu who were pretty strong for bbers. And guys like Jon Pall Sigmarission, and Svend Karlsen who have done bbing too.

Ok rant done.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Not to go out on a limb but too many strongmen IMO focus more on technique then overall strength..

I think you're alone in that opinion.

[Mike Westerling]

Not to go out on a limb but too many strongmen IMO focus more on technique then overall strength. I have dead lifted 595 just a belt no straps no hitch, and anyone who has seen me deadlift in person you can tell I do not have any technique at all lol Relevance is I know some really strong strong men around my weight who pull less, but can load 405 stones while I am still battling with 360 not to say they can't do it, some feel they just don't have too.It depends on what the competition is.

I'm not sure what you mean by: "too many strongmen IMO focus more on technique then overall strength" are you saying They are just good at the events because they are technically sound but not overall strong? So in your example the 400lb stone loader isnt really that strong because he deadlifts less than the 360 loader? Or are you saying the deadlifters are the ones benefiting from technical expertise and the 405 stone loader is the one with raw strength? Not debating you here (yet-lol) just trying to get a handle on what your thinking is..
Thanks,
-Mike

[Chris Weaver]

I think I kinda get what Tony is saying..lol I've noticed in strongman that there are a good amount of guys who can do, say, 700+ yokes, 315+ farmers, 400+ stones, but may only be deadlifting and squatting <500. Not to say they don't train deadlift or squat, but more time is spent on the events. Strongman, like any other sport, requires a huge amount of specialized training. You don't really see that many competitions that have a max squat or deadlift event, but pretty much every comp has either a heavy yoke, stone, or farmers.

Now of course when you get to the pro level all that goes out the window. Those guys are just nuts....lol

[JohnCook]

I know of no one who deadlifts less then 500 lbs that is running with 700 lbs yokes and 315 lbs farmers, and loading 400 lbs stones. Not that there is a direct connection between the deadlift and those events. However, in my experience, ALL of us who train strongman hit our deadlifts pretty hard.

Squatting.....yes, I can see that. Not everyone squats big numbers. There are examples of guys on this forum that are great strongmen without having the squat as a big part of their routine. However, in my opinion, which you can take it for what it's worth, if you can't deadlift then you don't belong in strongman. I can tell you that in my case the deadlift is the only thing that keeps me in the "mediocre" group of am competitors.

[WesleyInman]

Franco Colombo could be the strongest. Ive seen videos of him picking up and moving cars in parking spots, one end at a time.

Im pretty sure there is video out there where he is benching 500 for easy reps...

[Chris Weaver]

I know of no one who deadlifts less then 500 lbs that is running with 700 lbs yokes and 315 lbs farmers, and loading 400 lbs stones. Not that there is a direct connection between the deadlift and those events. However, in my experience, ALL of us who train strongman hit our deadlifts pretty hard.

Squatting.....yes, I can see that. Not everyone squats big numbers. There are examples of guys on this forum that are great strongmen without having the squat as a big part of their routine. However, in my opinion, which you can take it for what it's worth, if you can't deadlift then you don't belong in strongman. I can tell you that in my case the deadlift is the only thing that keeps me in the "mediocre" group of am competitors.

Yea, good point. I should edit my post to just say squatting under 500.

[NickWinters]

Yeah I saw it his hips were not through!

Who cares who the strongest BB is anyway? If the 3 of them want attention, then be better body builders!! Say like Jay Cutler! If they want attention for being strong then LIFT against someone who is actually strong! Stan put up his hummer and $20,000 to do a raw PL contest! I would gleefully throw down for this and beat all 3 of them!

Nick

I honestly don't think you would stand a chance against Stan in a raw 3 lift meet. He just put up an insane total the week before tho O.

[Luke Reynolds]

haha thats funny. do you know who nick best is? pro strongman, and pro powerlifter for about 20 odd years. i think he's got stans number.

[Billy Wolt]

haha thats funny. do you know who nick best is? pro strongman, and pro powerlifter for about 20 odd years. i think he's got stans number.

Hahahah do you know who Nick Winters is?

[NickWinters]

Stan squatted 825, benched 606, and pulled just under 800...all raw. He opened with 825 on squats and hurt his hamstring on his second attempt (850+, bad setup) and didn't take a 3rd. This also hampered his deadlift, he wanted to go 825 on his final attempt but his coach told him not to. He was 24lbs away from the ALL TIME WR raw total for that weight class, a record that has stood for about 30yrs. It's not something just anybody could do because they decide to do it, lol (pro powerlifter/pro strongman or not).

I know Nick Best is an incredibly strong guy, and mean no disrespect to him with this post.

[Nick Best]

All I will say is if the guy puts up his hummer and $20,000 cash I WILL take it from him!

Nick

[NickWinters]

All I will say is if the guy puts up his hummer and $20,000 cash I WILL take it from him!

Nick

You should try contacting Super Training Gym, that would probably be the best way to get it arranged

[Reggie Brown]

I find this thread comical.

2250 @ 275 has stood for a LONG time. People are throwing that number around like it's a joke and IMO, it's not.

For Stan to get close to that number at his age is really cool. If he would not have been injured, I think he would have broke it. Have some respect for the IFBB guys and keep in mind this is for "the worlds strongest bodybuilder" not the "the worlds strongest powerlifter". Hopefully they keep promoting this and next year have more than 2 guys lifting.

[Ryan Phillips]

haha thats funny. do you know who nick best is? pro strongman, and pro powerlifter for about 20 odd years. i think he's got stans number.

hahaha, do you even know who Nick Winters is??

:confused:

[Ryan Phillips]

All I will say is if the guy puts up his hummer and $20,000 cash I WILL take it from him!

Nick

Nick, what are your best raw lifts?

[Mac Smith]

What I find comical is the fact that powerlifters are challenging Stan. Stan never claimed to be the world's strongest powerlifter, he's claiming to be the world's strongest bodybuilder. I've seen Nick Best lift (I used to train with the guy), so my money would be on him. But could Nick or any other powerlifter who wants to challenge Stan beat Stan is HIS sport?

[Billy Wolt]

What I find comical is the fact that powerlifters are challenging Stan. Stan never claimed to be the world's strongest powerlifter, he's claiming to be the world's strongest bodybuilder. I've seen Nick Best lift (I used to train with the guy), so my money would be on him. But could Nick or any other powerlifter who wants to challenge Stan beat Stan is HIS sport?

I know Nick is on the board so the question is for him, but why not just enter a raw meet an take home this 30 year old record??

[Nick Best]

I left powerlifting becuase it wasn't fun for me anymore. I had won Worlds, 2 nationals, 6 straight ADFPA-USAPL state championships (94-99) with 6 straight best lifter awards. The first drug free 800lb+ squat and 2000lb+ total ever in California. The politics in the sport were getting old and the new equipment was making the sport kind of a joke.

When I see a guy go up on stage and say how strong he is and put up a hummer and $20,000 after watching the strongman contest at the O that paid $15,000 it makes me angry. Get attention from qualifying for the O. It would be like me challenging Pudz and Derek to a BB contest. It has no impact on the sport we compete in!

Ryan, right now with out focus my raw squat is somewhere between 860 and 900. I need about 4 weeks to work on depth and flexability.Bench is always over 600lb, and can pull between 840 and 860 right now! If there is prize money Billy I would but I am focusing on the next 2 Superseries shows in Venice and Sweeden.

Nick

[Pat Wilson]

When I see a guy go up on stage and say how strong he is and put up a hummer and $20,000 after watching the strongman contest at the O that paid $15,000 it makes me angry
Nick

Hell yeah! Man I wish I lived in Nevada then I could train with you, and foster! I would give a lot to train with you guys. Good luck on the super series training.

[Mac Smith]

I left powerlifting becuase it wasn't fun for me anymore. I had won Worlds, 2 nationals, 6 straight ADFPA-USAPL state championships (94-99) with 6 straight best lifter awards. The first drug free 800lb+ squat and 2000lb+ total ever in California. The politics in the sport were getting old and the new equipment was making the sport kind of a joke.

When I see a guy go up on stage and say how strong he is and put up a hummer and $20,000 after watching the strongman contest at the O that paid $15,000 it makes me angry. Get attention from qualifying for the O. It would be like me challenging Pudz and Derek to a BB contest. It has no impact on the sport we compete in!

Ryan, right now with out focus my raw squat is somewhere between 860 and 900. I need about 4 weeks to work on depth and flexability.Bench is always over 600lb, and can pull between 840 and 860 right now! If there is prize money Billy I would but I am focusing on the next 2 Superseries shows in Venice and Sweeden.

Nick

Nick,

Could you seriously come back down to 275 to challenge Stan? I know how hard you worked to get over 300lbs, so do you think you could really lose 30-40lbs and put up those kinds of numbers?

[Anthony Esquerdo]

I'm not sure what you mean by: "too many strongmen IMO focus more on technique then overall strength" are you saying They are just good at the events because they are technically sound but not overall strong? So in your example the 400lb stone loader isnt really that strong because he deadlifts less than the 360 loader? Or are you saying the deadlifters are the ones benefiting from technical expertise and the 405 stone loader is the one with raw strength? Not debating you here (yet-lol) just trying to get a handle on what your thinking is..
Thanks,
-Mike

Mike I am not saying a technical strongman isn't overall strong, but one event I will use is stone for height, are you saying a 6ft 5 strongman isn't going to do better then a 5ft 10 strongman when one can shoulder the stone and not reach a high height when the other brings it only waist level? All I am saying is some events don't measure overall strength as much as athleticism and technique. Don't get me wrong I am not bashing the sport, just saying like everyone there strength sport its not absolute. To me the strongest will be strong at all. When I mentioned the 405 stone to the strong deadlift the whole point was it does depend on standpoint, but if you really want to be strong, you aim for both. Not sticking with one sport and then bashing another. I think both men are strong, one stronger in stones other in deadlifts but to be the strongest shouldn't you be good at both?

On a personal note,I can barely squat 475 have it on video but been struggling with 455, yet my yolk since just finding a good technique has went from a slow staggering 600 to a 700 at a decent pace to even 10-20ft with 780-800 range. I know guys like Eric Hubbard who has a real strong squat somewhere in the 600 and 700's and he has much more trouble then me on the yoke, now he does around the same, only less comfortable and slower. Would I say I am stronger, hell no. What I mean is some strongmen come off as purists who only focus on strongman events when there are plenty of us here who duel sports. Not to say I am one sided, or to seem like I am trying to flame. I am just trying to say if all you focus is on 3 lifts, 3 events, etc you are going to have a knack for it, to me being really strong is being strong at a long of things.Also may it be noted I am not talking about pros at all. I am just saying give credit where its do.

[dcarroll]

Did I miss something, where were the SQUATS. Couple points of interest.

Yeah Ben came close with a 600 bench, but can he do it after squatting more then he benches ?

Same with Johnny, his pull was strong enough, that's for sure,. Can he do it after limit squats and benches though ?

Also, I'm well aware they're bodybuilders, my point is simple. Two dudes doing their pet lift without the stresses of heavy squats is lame.

Like it was pointed out earlier, if they want more attention, do it in bodybuilding. If they want to make a big deal about who is the strongest, and they're going to use the bench and dead as a measuring stick, then they need to get under the squat bar first.

[BradyJones]

Nick,

Could you seriously come back down to 275 to challenge Stan? I know how hard you worked to get over 300lbs, so do you think you could really lose 30-40lbs and put up those kinds of numbers?

stan did those lifts at much heavier than 275, he may have weighed in a shade below but he is heavier than that... i think guys should be weighed AFTER a meet not before... guys arent lifting at the weight they weigh in at, i think thats kind of bs but at the same time that is the rules..

[Ryan Phillips]

Ryan, right now with out focus my raw squat is somewhere between 860 and 900. I need about 4 weeks to work on depth and flexability.Bench is always over 600lb, and can pull between 840 and 860 right now! If there is prize money Billy I would but I am focusing on the next 2 Superseries shows in Venice and Sweeden.

Nick

awesome lifts mate, maybe this video will motivate you to enter a meet and put up some numbers...

http://www.rxmuscle.com/videos/c-interviews/812-stan-the-white-rhino-efferding-offers-his-white-hummer-to-the-pro-bodybuilder-who-can-beat-his-raw-lifting-total.html

[rob meulenberg]

Mike I am not saying a technical strongman isn't overall strong, but one event I will use is stone for height, are you saying a 6ft 5 strongman isn't going to do better then a 5ft 10 strongman when one can shoulder the stone and not reach a high height when the other brings it only waist level?


If you look at the results from this years ASM, then the answer is YES, a 5'10" strongman CAN do better than a 6'5" strongman on stone for height.

Foemmel, Weech, Brant, Dunn, and myself (all under 6') beat out guys like Conner, White, and Hatfield, all guys much taller than us.

I believe it has to do with the fact that we know we are short and at a disadvantage, so we train like hell to make up that disadvantage (I am NOT saying the taller guys do not train like hell!!!).

All I know is that is was a pretty awesome experience to have Derek come up to me at ASM and say he was impressed with my form on stone for height.

[rob meulenberg]

awesome lifts mate, maybe this video will motivate you to enter a meet and put up some numbers...



Nick has entered more powerlifting meets than many on this board. He was putting up 800#+ squats in single ply gear when it mattered. Now, with today's single ply gear, an 800# squat is not nearly as impressive. I do not think he has to prove much more.

Only thing I could see him doing is moving back to CA to take back a certain squat record some some handsome fellow took from him... :)

[Ryan Phillips]

Nick has entered more powerlifting meets than many on this board. He was putting up 800#+ squats in single ply gear when it mattered. Now, with today's single ply gear, an 800# squat is not nearly as impressive. I do not think he has to prove much more.

Only thing I could see him doing is moving back to CA to take back a certain squat record some some handsome fellow took from him... :)


well the 275 class raw record is something for him to prove. and if he can take it then thats a huge achievement. but to claim the hummer, he's gonna have to do it while in bodybuilding shape, is that something he can do??

[Pat Wilson]

well the 275 class raw record is something for him to prove. and if he can take it then thats a huge achievement. but to claim the hummer, he's gonna have to do it while in bodybuilding shape, is that something he can do??

Your joking right? Nick never said anything about dropping to 275 or even getting into bodybuilding shape haha. Nick Best said he is going to focus on the super series in STRONGMAN. Nick has nothing to prove.

[Nick Best]

Actually Stan never said anything about weight classes when he was putting out the challange to the other guys while on the stage at the expo. It was simply said beat his 2204 total raw! Which I will do if he is foolish enough to let me in! I would love to have his hummer and 20g's.

Nick

[Zack C. Nims]

Actually Stan never said anything about weight classes when he was putting out the challange to the other guys while on the stage at the expo. It was simply said beat his 2204 total raw! Which I will do if he is foolish enough to let me in! I would love to have his hummer and 20g's.

Nick

HECK YES! Go Nick!

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

I'm just gonna go ahead and say a couple things...

Stan is a strong as hell guy.. I can't touch him on anything. But he was going for a 275lb raw record set under very different circumstances.

275lbs with a 24hr weigh in, can hardly be called 275lbs. Weigh in on the day 2 hours before, otherwise you could be lifting at 292 for all we know.

Raw squatting out of a monolift? The record was set by a guy who walked out... do the same. Dan Harrison squatted to depth, Stan looked clearly high.

If Nick Best can't destroy that, I'd be surprised, and we know he'd win on the deadlift too.
Hope he puts some money on the line and lets some other guys show up.

[Paul F.X. Armstrong]

some old photos of Jon Cole

http://www.thorbeckesgym.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=170

A friend of mine was playing football at Arizona State and was fortunate enough to have had Jon Cole as a strength coach
I don't think it was an official title but Cole worked with the Sundevils in 1976 and 1977.


Cole could throw th discus,the shot and the javelin also.
Was world ranked in the late 60's as a discus thrower.

Copied off 'The Throwers Page':

Jon Cole threw discus 65.92(216-3) in 1972; he is also one of the best ever combination weightlifter-powerlifter. Cole also put the shot 69'11.5 and threw the jav 221'.

[Ryan Phillips]

Your joking right? Nick never said anything about dropping to 275 or even getting into bodybuilding shape haha. Nick Best said he is going to focus on the super series in STRONGMAN. Nick has nothing to prove.

No i'm not joking lol. Read the title of the thread. Stan put the challenge out to see who the strongest bodybuilder is. He might open it to anyone though, i'm not sure. If that's the case i'm sure Nick would happily take his money and his car. But i don't think stan is stupid enough ;)

[NickWinters]

I left powerlifting becuase it wasn't fun for me anymore. I had won Worlds, 2 nationals, 6 straight ADFPA-USAPL state championships (94-99) with 6 straight best lifter awards. The first drug free 800lb+ squat and 2000lb+ total ever in California. The politics in the sport were getting old and the new equipment was making the sport kind of a joke.

When I see a guy go up on stage and say how strong he is and put up a hummer and $20,000 after watching the strongman contest at the O that paid $15,000 it makes me angry. Get attention from qualifying for the O. It would be like me challenging Pudz and Derek to a BB contest. It has no impact on the sport we compete in!

Ryan, right now with out focus my raw squat is somewhere between 860 and 900. I need about 4 weeks to work on depth and flexability.Bench is always over 600lb, and can pull between 840 and 860 right now! If there is prize money Billy I would but I am focusing on the next 2 Superseries shows in Venice and Sweeden.

Nick

so without focusing on squat and bench you are roughly a 100lbs or so from the all time wr total? Why don't you focus on it for a couple months after the super series and go for it! That would be amazing!

[Easton Taylor]

Yeah Nick, why don't you?











Overgrown Meathead! Have I told you I hate you?


You told me you squatted 815 last night and you had 900+ in you? WTF? Now, I really hate you and your teenage freakshow!

[Vincent Dizenzo]

Nick, he put the money up for the strongest pro bodybuilder. I bet if you match his offer for cash and the hummer, he'd gladly compete against you. It's like the old saying goes, put your money where your mouth is.