WSM updates coming soon

[Muscle Mom]

Watch this thread for updates of the finals... coming soon!!! :)

[James Deffinbaugh]

I'll get the score sheet in early :-)

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[Muscle Mom]

In group 1 Louie Phillipe Jean and Kostiantyn Ilin are batteling it out for a spot in the finals, Jimmy Marku is out of contention and Kevin Nee is questionable on whether or not he will even try the stones. Group 1 only has stones left no keg toss.
In group 2 Zydrunas is leading with Brian Shaw right behind him, they have a big lead on the rest of the guys. They have both a keg toss and stones today.
In group 3 Phil Pfister is leading with Mariusz in 2nd with Darren Sadler only 3.5pts behind Mariusz. They only have stones left no Keg Toss.
In Group 4 Laurence Shahlaei is locked in th finals. Johhanes and Travis are batteling for a spot. Both of them were sick yesterday but thankfully it was their day off so they both rested. Richard Skog is a few points behind Travis. They have both the keg toss and stones today.
In group 5 Terry is leading the pack so Andrus Murumets and Dave Ostlund are batteling it out for 2nd place. They have the keg toss and stones today as well. So far Sebastian Wenta has pulled out and most likely Kevin Nee. We will have to see if he tries the stones.

[Muscle Mom]

Here are the ten athletes going to the finals:

From group 1
Derek Poundstone
Louie Phillipe Jean

Group 2
Brian Shaw
Zydrunas Savickas

Group 3
Mariusz Pudzianowski
Phil Pfister

Group 4
Laurence Shahlaei
Travis Ortmayer

Group 5
Dave Ostlund
Terry Hollands

I will update you with anything else I get before the finals start! First event on Thursday is the Farmers walk, then fingers then plane pull!

[Alex Klotz]

That is one heck of a lineup.

[Patryk Deptula]

I want to thank everyone on both threads for the wsm updates, and james thanks for the spreadsheets, they help a lot. :)

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

For the sake of the prediction thread I have to stay with Pudz, but I think Big Z is looking like a really good bet providing he does alright on the farmers.

[Patrick McGuffin]

Five Americans in the finals! USA! USA! USA!

[BradyJones]

For the sake of the prediction thread I have to stay with Pudz, but I think Big Z is looking like a really good bet providing he does alright on the farmers.

i hope so but with the final events i just cant see anyone beating derek... no doubt he could be top 2 on EVERY single event and that is what wins WSM

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

i hope so but with the final events i just cant see anyone beating derek... no doubt he could be top 2 on EVERY single event and that is what wins WSM

That's very true, Derek is obviously dialled and could walk away with just about every event. It will really come down to whether guys squeak infront of him on events like the Fingers. You got so many guys at the top that making a small mistake on one event would ruin even a dominant performance. Really keen to see how Terry does, he's going to smash some events.

I'm going to predict that the winner places no lower than 4th in every event.

[Zack C. Nims]

Laurence Shahlaei came in strong! Does anyone see him as having a very legit shot at winning?

Very impressive. Black horse!

[BradyJones]

Laurence Shahlaei came in strong! Does anyone see him as having a very legit shot at winning?

Very impressive. Black horse!


he really suffered last year in the axle that was 15 kilos lighter than this year, also he really didnt do well on the truck pull either, cant see him being top 5 with the guys that are in it...

[Ryan Rhodes]

Gigi,

Any idea what happened w/ Marshall?

[Muscle Mom]

Thursday

Giant Farmers Walk
50m
This is a timed event.
The athletes walk 25m, put the farmers down, turn around and pick it up to walk another 25m.
75 seconds
160kg/353lbs (per hand)

Fingal Fingers
75 seconds
200/225/250/275/320 kg
440/495/550/605/705 lb

Plane Pull
25m
75 seconds
44 tones

FRIDAY

Apollo's Axle for reps, from the ground

75 seconds
155kg/342lbs

Boat Pull/ Arm over arm

20m
75 seconds
300kg/660lbs

Car Deadlift for reps
75 seconds
350kg/770lbs

SATURDAY

Atlas Stones

75 seconds
100/110/120/140/160 kg
220/245/265/310/360 lbs

[Patrick McGuffin]

WSM is starting to get heavy, maybe it will earn its namesake this year?

[Richard Reynolds]

I'd like to see the stones heavier.
And it's a rule you have to put the farmers down, then turn around to carry them back?
WSM is starting to get heavy, maybe it will earn its namesake this year?

[Paul Savage]

Laurence Shahlaei came in strong! Does anyone see him as having a very legit shot at winning?

Very impressive. Black horse!
I definately think he has a shot, a bunch of guys do, it's a very competitive competition, one little slip up on some of the events an every other competitor could end up beating you. Dont be at all surprised if loz destroys the farmers an takes an early lead, the mans quick.

[James Deffinbaugh]

Mariusz's website says you need to carry the stones 7 meters, so it's a carry and load. They were originally going to go up to 215kg, but they had to bring it down to 110-165 with a carry. It's definitely going to change things up a bit.

110-165kg is similar to the series that's going to be at LW amateur nationals :-)
The carry will make it much harder.

[BillTenbroeck]

5 Americans are in the finals because we dominate everything we do. That is why we are number 1.

I like the events but I do not understand putting the stones on a 3rd day. It would be better to put it at the end of day 2. The competitors will be beaten up by that point.

[Patrick McGuffin]

Stones are always the final event..

[BradyJones]

Stones are always the final event..

for most of the worlds they are, 03 worlds they were the 4th event and in 99 i believe it wasnt the last.

[Topi Frifeldt]

Intresting stone set alright..

Even the U105 World Record Breakers in Finland we had the stones up to 180kg/400lb.
And it was with carry. Although they have higher platforms I assume..

I was also waiting for the big stones in this competition because almost everything else has gone up..

[Darek Technik]

Fingal Fingers

1. Z. Savickas -28,59 - World Record
2. Dave Ostlund - 32,00
3. Brian Shaw - 32,50
4. Travis Ortmayer - 34,40
5. Derek Poundstone - 35,50
6. Mariusz Pudzianowski - 36,50
7. Phil Pfister - 37,oo
8. Terry Hollands
9. Laurence Shahlaei
10.Louis Phillip Jean

[Topi Frifeldt]

Strong beginning from the big Z!!

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

That's amazing!

3,5 to 4 seconds ahead of Dave O and Brian ?!!!

[Darek Technik]

Farmers walk

1. Pudzian - 25,05
2. Poundstone - 32,...
3. Shahlaei - 33,...
4. Savickas - about 40 sec.

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Huge farmers from Mariusz.

Did anyone say he wouldn't do good at these?

Thanks a lot Darek you're doing a great job!

[Topi Frifeldt]

Impressive speed on Mariusz!!

Bad event for Savickas..but everyone knew that already..

[Brandon Smith]

Farmers walk

1. Pudzian - 25,05
2. Poundstone - 32,...
3. Shahlaei - 33,...
4. Savickas - about 40 sec.

Wow, 7 seconds faster than Derek? Impressive event for Mariusz. So that puts the top three as so far:

1. Big Z - 17
2. Derek - 15
Mariusz - 15

Wonder what the other placings were...if Dave, Travis, or Shaw got 5th they are right there in the mix with Derek and Mariusz...Dave would be in a three way tie for 2nd.

[Michal Širůčka]

Oh crap! Mariusz had no chance to get better place in fingers with such stacked field, and the same will be for heavy axle, as he has no chance to beat Z or Derek, but his result in farmes clearly shows he is determinated to fight till the end! This WSM finals will be epic! :F:

[Daniel Evans]

Wow, Pudz's and Savickas's times are incredible in those events.

[JoeMYurkunas]

Thanks for the updates!
Great stuff!

[Easton Taylor]

Only 1 more questionable event for Z and that is the arm over arm boat pull. Like I said before, Big Z for the win!

[Michal Širůčka]

If I could bet, who will win axle event, I would probably spend ages to decide. Z's overhead strength declases any competitor in the field, but considering the weight, it is more cardio question for him... and Poundstone Clearly showed who has the best overhead for reps last year, beating Mariusz in one of his strongest event - log for reps. Hmmm... Z or Poundstone? :IMHO:

[Easton Taylor]

If I could bet, who will win axle event, I would probably spend ages to decide. Z's overhead strength declases any competitor in the field, but considering the weight, it is more cardio question for him... and Poundstone Clearly showed who has the best overhead for reps last year, beating Mariusz in one of his strongest event - log for reps. Hmmm... Z or Poundstone? :IMHO:

Remember Z at the Arnold? More weight and more reps then anyone else. Expect the same with less weight.

[Michal Širůčka]

Remember Z at the Arnold? More weight and more reps then anyone else. Expect the same with less weight.
Sure, I was just considering the lower weight can be lifted for more reps and than speed and endurance becomes more important (I dont want to say Z is lacking some of these!), but this weight should suit Derek well I guess. I think it will be tough fight.

[Michael Love]

Still got the plane pull at some point today.. right?

[lhprop1]

Delete . . . .

[WesleyInman]

Does anyone know what the rest of the events are for the remaining days??

[Mike Westerling]

Thanks for the updates! It just sucks that we cant be watching it live.
-Mike

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Am I the only one to get mad for the lack of information?

I thank greatly all the guys provoding updates, they MAKE MY DAYS.

But how is it possible that we have nothing yet on the daily event blog on WSM website, nor on Ironmind for this day?

Sorry for the rant, don't forget I'm French.



@Wesley:

http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/timetable.php

[James Deffinbaugh]

It looks like at least Travis, LPJ, and Loz pulled the plane. It sucks for those that already went if they canceled the pull.

Video of it at:
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20091001/local/plane-challenge

[Paul E Ohl]

It is always tricky to go for the Plane Pull given airports regulations. Hope it is only a rumor. Although going for a Car Walk would ( coincidence of course) suit better some competitors...

As for the Axle , I really hope the implement will be the iron-cast model with the 2"bar and not the car wheels.

At the announced weight ( 346 lbs) which is 20 pounds less than the original Apollon Axle we may have a world record coming up... and Savickas may be the man that will do it . Have no doubt about his cleaning speed and his timing. As it will be the first event of day 2 the athletes will be fresh. And I know what that means for Zydrunas...

Still surprised about the Atlas Stones. If they weigh what was reported, no doubt that there was a purpose to it: lighter means faster....

[Scott Tully]

the Car Wheels on TV will look better than a cast Item that is smaller in my opinion, and Im guessing that's what they will use.

ST

[James Deffinbaugh]

Still surprised about the Atlas Stones. If they weigh what was reported, no doubt that there was a purpose to it: lighter means faster....

Carrying 5 stones 7 meters each still adds some difficulty (though I'm sure the results will still be really fast). I think Mariusz's site implied it was because of some problems with the big stones or something, they didn't make them intentionally light.

[Billy Wolt]

Am I the only one to get mad for the lack of information?

I thank greatly all the guys provoding updates, they MAKE MY DAYS.

But how is it possible that we have nothing yet on the daily event blog on WSM website, nor on Ironmind for this day?

Sorry for the rant, don't forget I'm French.



@Wesley:

http://www.theworldsstrongestman.com/timetable.php

The timetable says car deadlift hold.......I hope it's not a hold for time.

[James Deffinbaugh]

From SDF/Ironmind Twitter:
WSM - top three after first day: 1 Zydrunas Savickas, 2) Mariusz Pudzianowski, 3) Derek Poundstone
Terry Hollands just won the Plane Pull at WSM. Zydrunas was second; and Shaw and Ortmayer tied for third.

That also means Mariusz beat Derek in the plane pull.
Also, I think this solidifies Terry's position as the best truck puller in strongman (http://www.marunde-muscle.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16349&page=5).

Another interesting fact:
In the qualifiers, Phil beat Mariusz, Shaw beat Savickas, and Loz beat Travis in the truck pull. The results are reversed in the plane pull in the finals.

[Piotr Jaczynski]

Plane Pull
1. Hollands
2. Savickas
3. Shaw
4. Ortmayer
5. Pudzianowski
6. Poundstone

After 3 events
1. Big Z 26
2. Pudzian 21
3. Derek 20

[Justin Ely]

Plane Pull
After 3 events
1. Big Z 26
2. Pudzian 21
3. Derek 20


Whoa... I'm 100% behind wanting Z to win this event but I didn't think, after the first day, it would have been this type of point spread. I was sure Derek would be ahead by about 3pts in the lead and Z in the next two spots.

Me so happy.

[Vincent.Dametta]

I am impressed that big Terry won the plane pull. Congrats to him!

[Reggie Brown]

Thanks for the updates, some great results so far. Look out for Pudz, that guy is just a gamer.

[Daniel Evans]

If Big Z can put up the performance of his life on the arm over arm tomorrow, things are looking good for him.

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Thanks guys, thank you so much !

[John Majefski]

IMO this is allready Z's short of a fluke or injury i think the lead is allready too much

[Matt Dawson]

Seems to me that Maruisz was playing the qualifiers perfectly...doing just enough to make it into finals, not going full out and saving energy for when it really counts. This is why he is the 5x worlds strongest man.

[Richard Reynolds]

Except this is the most stacked field ever. One bad event and you'll drop a lot of points. In the past, a bad event wouldn't cost you so much.

IMO this is allready Z's short of a fluke or injury i think the lead is allready too much

[heather hutchison]

I think Mariusz will win the boat pull tomorrow and take third in axle(maybe 4th) so he will be sitting well for the last day.All these guys deserve credit because this is the most stacked finals of all time-last in this field is still awesome.They are giving us fans something to look forward too.Whether Mariusz wins or not,hopefully people will stop saying he is ducking people-he goes out and gives 100%-Poundstone and Mariusz are competing against giants-structurally far larger men then themselves-for that they deserve credit.good luck to all-hopefully no one gets hurt.

[Easton Taylor]

Remember WSM isn't suited for Z ;).

[AbramJewell]

Shaw is only a half a point behind Poundstone. He's right there in the running. He had a bad day today, but is optimistic about tomorrow. If he can stay middle of the pack in the axle clean and press and top 3 or 4 on the deadlift watch out. I think he’ll win the arm over arm pull and possibly stones. Those are sick events for him. Watch out for Shaw. He’s not going to lay down for these guys.

[Vincent.Dametta]

Remember WSM isn't suited for Z ;).

LOL...

Man, I appreciate and root for every single guy there this year. They're all terrific. But, Big Z will be the first to have won the career triple crown if he continues this trend. How awesome is that?! And to think, if he competed in this year's Arnold (I'm not sure why he wasn't, was he injured?), there's a possibility he could have done it all in one year.

I just hope everyone stays healthy from here on out.

[heather hutchison]

Yes,I think shaw and travis are the other 2 to look out for in the arm over arm.Who knows,anyone one of these guys are capable of winning these events now.It is still really close-sounds like an awesome battle.Is the deadlift the barbell or the car lift-car deadlift is soooooooo boring,yawn.

[heather hutchison]

Wsm website has some pictures of first 3 events.Farmer's look pretty cool-looks like 5 competitor's at once.Truck pull 2-6 position determined by less then a second.WTF.

[James Deffinbaugh]

Point totals as found by Bod at SDF:
Big Z 26
Pudzianowski 21
Poundstone 20
Shaw 19.5
Terry 18
Travis 15.5
Pfister 15
Dave O 14
Loz 12
LPJ 5

The spreadsheet is updated with all the event results, based on other results published and the final scores. There are probably some errors but it's the best we can do :-)
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=thRobT_gwYyrXfgL6QNLerw&gid=1

Mariusz's site (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://ipd.home.pl/pudzian/news_all.php%3Fid%3D302&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpudzial.pl%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26r lz%3D1C1GGLS_enUS291US303&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhjdDLOmsf-Do7NFty7D_0d_yXebhg) has a write up of the first day.

[Tom Hutchison]

Looking pretty good for a Big Z win. If he wins the axle, it might be over.

[Brandon Smith]

Dave O update:

Today... Fingal Fingers-2nd Farmers Walk-9th Plane Pull-8th Tomorrow... Boat Pull & Deadlift

so that confirms Dave's places for the spreadsheet.

[Ernest Ballard Beath]

Savickas is the man...it just shows the good argument that everyone up around 400lbs is fat!

gives me some hope at least...! :D

[MikeMastell]

Come on Derek!! Come back specialist.

[Jay Hagadorn]

Savickas is the man...it just shows the good argument that everyone up around 400lbs is fat!

gives me some hope at least...! :D

Well Ernest...

Savickas @400lbs along with Mark Henry @ 400lbs. A person can be 400lbs and fat, or not so fat.
http://www.savickas.lt/sportas/galerija/photo.667.html

[Vincent Dizenzo]

There are two types of people in the world, big people and little people. Them's big people.

Thanks for the updates.

[Jay Hagadorn]

There are two types of people in the world, big people and little people. Them's big people.

Thanks for the updates.
I agree Vincent. I'm not cvalling anyone "fat", that would be like the kettle calling the pot...I'm sure you get the point. Back to WSM!

[Alex Klotz]

If you weigh 400 pounds, you're either morbidly obese, seven feet tall, or an Arnold Strongman winner.

[anton axelsson]

come on mr poundstone light the fire man

[Vincent.Dametta]

According to the article Randy Strossen posted: http://www.ironmind.com/ironmind/opencms/Articles/2009/Oct/Zydrunas_Savickas_Leads_Worldxs_Strongest_Man.html

...Terry badly tore a bunch of calluses on both hands, taped up his hands and still won the plane pull.

I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings.

[Chris Weaver]

So the first day saw 8 different athletes taking 1st through 3rd on the three events. Thats crazy! This WSM could go in anyone's favor at this point.

[Paul E Ohl]

The biggest surprise of the day is Zydrunas' lead after 3 events. Mind you I expected him to do well in the Plane Pull and extremely well in the Fingal's, but never as well as he did in the Farmer's.

The lead of 5 pts makes him that much more dangerous and I know what I am talking about.

When he decided to enter 2009 Fortissimus he had made certain that he would come absolutely prepared. And he just stormed the competition with just one miss: the Farmer's. His result at WSM shows how well he prepared himself for that event.

I predicted that he would have a "terrible" arm over arm pull ( the Luzzu Boat). What if he comes up with another surprise ? If he does, GAME OVER. If he goes 5th he will enter the DL event with true grit. And whoever has seen that man attack the bar will witness a memorable performance.

Derek has to challenge every event from now on. He may win the Axle but I still call it a big Z win. In the Boat Pull he cannot afford to lose points to Brian and to Mariusz. In the DL points will be mixed up ( maybe by Terry Hollands and ???).

Mariusz has his own worries. If he wants to win he must hope for a few misses by Zydrunas. He will find out that if he is considered a warrior big Z is a predator . Not a chance that Z will crumble under pressure. Not sure of the other way around.

After day 2 points could be:

-Zydrunas : 51 pts

-Mariusz : 45 pts

-Derek : 45 pts

In which case : GAME OVER ( of course this is IMO )

[Ryan Wells]

come on mr poundstone light the fire man

I was a little concerned when I saw that he came out of the gate as hard as he did.

[Richard Reynolds]

I think the stone carry and load could be a place where everyone (including Z) has the possibility to lose points. There were 5 men (2-6) all within 1-second of each other on the truck pull. The same thing might happen with the stone carry and load. There are a lot of guys who plan on doing well on that event, and they probably won't be separated by much time. One or two seconds may mean the difference between 10 points and 4 points.

[WesleyInman]

I was a little concerned when I saw that he came out of the gate as hard as he did.

He'll pull it together for sure, he always does. Just watch the axle is his, and he has been practicing the arm over arm pulls for a very long time with a car attached. I think it will be close, but I'm confident that it's not Game Over as Paul predicts.

[barabas47]

Out of curiosity, does anyone know why met-rx pulled out of sponsorship and was it difficult to secure party poker for sponsorship?

[LouFatski]

The lead of 5 pts makes him that much more dangerous and I know what I am talking about.

When he decided to enter 2009 Fortissimus he had made certain that he would come absolutely prepared. And he just stormed the competition with just one miss: the Farmer's. His result at WSM shows how well he prepared himself for that event.

I predicted that he would have a "terrible" arm over arm pull ( the Luzzu Boat). What if he comes up with another surprise ? If he does, GAME OVER. If he goes 5th he will enter the DL event with true grit. And whoever has seen that man attack the bar will witness a memorable performance.

Derek has to challenge every event from now on. He may win the Axle but I still call it a big Z win. In the Boat Pull he cannot afford to lose points to Brian and to Mariusz. In the DL points will be mixed up ( maybe by Terry Hollands and ???).

Mariusz has his own worries. If he wants to win he must hope for a few misses by Zydrunas. He will find out that if he is considered a warrior big Z is a predator . Not a chance that Z will crumble under pressure. Not sure of the other way around.

After day 2 points could be:

-Zydrunas : 51 pts

-Mariusz : 45 pts

-Derek : 45 pts

In which case : GAME OVER ( of course this is IMO )

He did OK in the farmers because it was "heavy" farmers and Z in no stranger to heavy. I expect him to do well in overhead and maybe deadlift. Pudz should have good chances in the boat pull and stones. He's simply amazing when it comes to not only lifting mass but also transporting. Then there's Poundstone. It's going to be very interesting.

[Dennis Ruygrok]

I'm thinking quite differently then the general concensus. I think Mariusz or DP will take the boat pull. Derek or Terry Hollands both have outstanding chances of taking the deadlift. BOth well over 900+ pullers. BIg Shaw or Pfister have great shots of taking the stones due to the weight and the distance which the stones have to be carried. Big Z is going to do well but based on the field and all of the athletes that have their "strength" no pun intended, these next few events could be anyone's event to win (individual events that is).
I"m thinking it'll be either Derek or Mariusz to win.

[Muscle Mom]

Fingal Fingers
1st Zydrunas 28.69 sec World Record
2nd Ostlund- 32.08
3rd Shaw- 33.xx
4th Ortmyer-3.85
5th Poundstone-35.xx
6th Mariusz-37.54
7th Pfister 37.57
8th Hollands- 43.07
9th shahlaei- 4 fingers in xx
10th Jean- 4 fingers in xx

Farmers
1st Mariusz-25.05
2nd Poundstone-31.63
3rd Shahlaei- 33.54
4th Zydrunas- 36.20
5th Pfister- 36.86
6th Hollands- 37.30
7th Shaw- 48.80
8th Jean- 50.45
9th Ostlund- 1:12.37
10th Traivis- 45.05m

Overall after 2 events:
1 Zydrunas 17pts
2 Poundstone 15pts
2 Mariusz 15pts
4 Shaw 12pts
5 Ostlund 11
6 Pfister 10pts
6Shahlaei 10pts
8 Hollands 8pts
8 Ortmyer 8pts
10 Jean 4pts
Plane Pull:

1 Hollands 38.xx
2 Zydrunas 40.2
3 Brian + Travis 40.5
5 Mariusz 40.91
6 Poundstone 41.12
7 Phil 42.5
8 Dave 45.5
9 Loz 45.8
10 Jean 46.xx

Overall
1 Zydrunas 26pts
2 Mariusz 21
3 Poundstone 20
4 Brian 19.5
5 Terry 18
6 Travis 15.5
7 Dave + Phil 14
9 Loz 12
10 Jean 5

[anton axelsson]

it's good to see Big Z WSM be ahead thow there were alot of guys who didnt think he would do well in the he sure is shuting me up.

Still want Poundstone to take this thow

[Darek Technik]

Axel

1. Savickas - 9 reps
2. Pudzian - 8
2. Poundston - 8
4. Otmayer - 7
5. Shaw -6
6. Pfister - 5
7. L.P. Jean - 4
8.Ostlund - 4
9. Hollands - 2
10. Shahlaei - ?

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Darek everytime I see your name the last poster on a thread, I know good inforation is to come! Thank you so much !

Damn good pressing by Z, Derek and Pudz.

Anybody else is surprised with LPJ's 4 reps?


Now points would be as follows:

Overall
1 - Zydrunas 36 pts
2 - Mariusz 29.5
3 - Poundstone 28.5
4 - Brian 25.5
5 - Travis 22.5
6 - Terry 20
7 - Phil 19
8 - Dave 17,5
9 - Loz 12
10 - Jean 8.5

[Michal Širůčka]

It seems nothing can stop mighty Z now :F:

[Arnell Castillo]

Finish it Zydrunas !!!!!!:F:

[Aaron West]

Thanks for the updates everyone!!

I wonder if Z's 9 reps was the number to beat, or did he just go out and kill the top score of 8...
Pudz's bicep appears to be holding up well. That's a pretty impressive recovery to be back at this level so soon. I thought if any event would have aggravated it, the axle c&p would've been the one.

[Billy Wolt]

I hope Z wins it. After being locked out of wsm for years, he deserves it, that and he probably is literally wsm.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Thanks for the updates everyone!!

I wonder if Z's 9 reps was the number to beat, or did he just go out and kill the top score of 8...
Pudz's bicep appears to be holding up well. That's a pretty impressive recovery to be back at this level so soon. I thought if any event would have aggravated it, the axle c&p would've been the one.

According to Randall Strossen's Twitter updates, Travis got 7, then Z did 9 and then Pudz and Poundstone went after Z.

[Jason Nunn]

Sounds like a great battle. Can't wait till christmas when we get to watch it! :EP:

[Justin Ely]

Just from the Ironmind twitter page

"Malta - Brian Shaw just won the Boat Pull at WSM; Marius Pudzianowski was second and Travis Ortmayer was third."

"Big Z holds his lead after Day 2 at World's Strongest Man. Mariusz Pudzianowski remains second and Brian Shaw has moved into third."

[Eric Todd]

This is exciting. Thanks for the updates guys!
ET

[Paul E Ohl]

Jean-Charles, about LPJ:

totally shattered IMO. No coaching and probably a little out of gas.

At this point he is way off from his potential and possibilities. These events are good events for him ( at least they appeared to be). He just blew. On top of that, LPJ seems also out of focus. His goal seems like reaching the finals...and let it go from there.

In fact, he should have done the opposite. Be prepared for the dog fight once in the finals !
He is learning the hard way.

[Piotr Jaczynski]

Big Z only 0.5 point ahead of Mariusz :mag:

Boat Pull
1. Shaw - 32
2. Pudzian - 39
3.Ortmayer 45,8
4.Hollands - 47
5. Shahleai - 51,5
6. Pfister - 55,09
7. Poundstone - 1,02,09
8. Savickas 1,02,09

all news of course from http://szczepanski.net.pl/

[Michal Širůčka]

Big Z only 0.5 point ahead of Mariusz :mag:

Boat Pull
1. Shaw - 32
2. Pudzian - 39
3.Ortmayer 45,8
4.Hollands - 47
5. Shahleai - 51,5
6. Pfister - 55,09
7. Poundstone - 1,02,09
8. Savickas 1,02,09

all news of course from http://szczepanski.net.pl/
I have to stop watching this thread. One more post like this and I get hearth attack! :BB:

[Piotr Jaczynski]

Before last two events (deadlift and stones)
1. Savickas - 39 pkt
2. Pudzianowski - 38,5
3. Shaw - 35,5
4. Poundstone - 32,5
5. Ortmayer- 30,5
6. Hollands - 27
7. Pfister - 24
Ostlund - 18,5 or 19.5
Shahleai - 19
10. L.P. Jean - 9,5 or 10.5

[Daniel Evans]

Hopefully people will stop bashing Pudz at every turn here for not competing with the best. Two years in a row and he's fighting for the win when people wrote him off.

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

I second that. Mariusz gives his best no matter what and is an absolute beast of pure strength, brute strength, athletic strength and whatever you want.

Did Derek and Z really make the same time on the boat pull? Something must be bothering Derek.


And Brian Shaw.....OH MYYY GOOOOD. 7 seconds ahead of Mariusz, who is himself 7 seconds ahead of Travis ! :BB:

[Muscle Mom]

It's been said before and by the athletes themselves... at this level, anything can happen.

[Matt Schumann]

So what does the rest of the schedule look like? DL today and stones tmorrow?

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Both are scheduled tomorrow.

Damn, everything can happen now.

Z can win both, Mariusz too, many guys can win one event at least....

BEST WSM EVER ! ! !

[Michal Širůčka]

BEST WSM EVER ! ! !
Word, this years WSM will come to history, no matter who will win.

[Michael Love]

Wow... What kinda Deadlifter is Shaw?

Any word on why Derek did so poorly in the Truck pull?

I did want to see Big Z or Travis win this years WSM.. but with Mariusz competing like such a complete BEAST it is almost like my opinion is changing and I just want to see a dramatic finish. I guess Mariusz has "proven" himself... not that he needed to, imo.

[Richard Reynolds]

Did the car deadlift get moved to today, Friday?

Thursday

Giant Farmers Walk
50m
This is a timed event.
The athletes walk 25m, put the farmers down, turn around and pick it up to walk another 25m.
75 seconds
160kg/353lbs (per hand)

Fingal Fingers
75 seconds
200/225/250/275/320 kg
440/495/550/605/705 lb

Plane Pull
25m
75 seconds
44 tones

FRIDAY

Apollo's Axle for reps, from the ground

75 seconds
155kg/342lbs

Boat Pull/ Arm over arm

20m
75 seconds
300kg/660lbs

Car Deadlift for reps
75 seconds
350kg/770lbs

SATURDAY

Atlas Stones

75 seconds
100/110/120/140/160 kg
220/245/265/310/360 lbs

[Paul E Ohl]

I expected the Dominator to bow. He did just the opposite. I take my hat off to this man no matter what happens tomorrow.

I never tought that Mariusz would be as dominant as he has shown from the first event and on in this finals. And that is my tribute to this great champion.

Now, with two events left the odds are almost even. It's going to be do or die for Zydrunas and Mariusz. Although Brian could still be a huge factor. He already was and will probably be voted the most impressive performer of this 2009 WSM even if Mariusz wins.

What will it take to win this ?

-If each competitor is up to his best, the DL x reps will be decisive. To win the title, Mariusz needs 19 points ( either way, he must win the Stones and place 2nd in the DL).

-Zydrunas is in a must win/win situation then. If Mariusz takes 19 points , Zydrunas cannot win the competition. He must win the DL and get his best ever in the Stones. He must therefore hope for a great performance by Hollands and Poundstone in the DL and still beat these two guys. That would give him the edge needed to take a 3-point lead.

-Mariusz has an ideal situation with the Stones: they are light, they call for a carry. Therefore speed is the element. He should win ( in theory). This is where the X-factor comes into play: what can Zydrunas do with this kind of event ? Surprisingly enough, he could win .

So, Mariusz makes 1st and 2nd in any order, he wins. Zydrunas makes 1st and 3rd in any order, he cannot win. Mariusz drops one position in either event and Zydrunas makes twice 2nd, Zydrunas wins.

Brian wins both remaining events and Mariusz and Zydrunas come in 3rd or worse each time, Brian wins.

Derek's only hope is to win both events ( which is the best he can do anyway) and hope that Mariusz, Zydrunas and Brian fall apart. Unfortunately this will not happen.

I call it Zydrunas Savickas.

[LouFatski]

I took my hat off to Pudz looooong ago...

[heather hutchison]

WSM looks like it will be the best finish ever.Top 4 can win at the point.Mariusz doesn't need to prove anything to anybody he has beaten everybody before.Derek truck pull was 2.5 seconds from first place-everybody's times were close on truck pull.What a show all these great athletes have put on.I don't think Mariusz needs 19 points to win-I think there could be a couple mistakes made at the stones( because of how close everyone is)Mariusz may make a mistake at stones as well-Now if Mariusz pulls of the win in the deadlift-Savickas will feel the heat.

[Chris Weaver]

I predicted big Z would take the win, but I am rooting for Pudzian. It's most likely his last WSM, would be great to see him go out on top. 6 WSM titles would be nearly impossible to break.

Is anyone else somewhat suprised by Derek's performance? Watching his training videos, I almost expected him and Z to walk away from the rest of the field.

[Jay Hagadorn]

Isn't that why competitors show up on game day, to prove it? Whoever wins will prove they were the best at this time.

[claycruse]

[QUOTE=Michael Love;290699]Wow... What kinda Deadlifter is Shaw?

Mr Shaw is a great deadlifter.. Im excited to see how this goes.. BRING IT BACK TO COLORADO!!

[Michael Love]

[QUOTE=Michael Love;290699]Wow... What kinda Deadlifter is Shaw?

Mr Shaw is a great deadlifter.. Im excited to see how this goes.. BRING IT BACK TO COLORADO!!

Good to hear.. He is gonna have to be cause I think Z takes this event.

Seems like Zydrunas ALWAYS does well in the DL'ing events.

Is it the same weight and apparatus as last year?

[Chris Anderson]

Wow... What kinda Deadlifter is Shaw?

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[claycruse]

[QUOTE=claycruse;290713]

Good to hear.. He is gonna have to be cause I think Z takes this event.

Seems like Zydrunas ALWAYS does well in the DL'ing events.

Is it the same weight and apparatus as last year?

Not sure but if im not mistaken he set a world record on axel DL a while back.. Thats one hell of a grip that man has.. 848 pounds on that WR btw (2009 fit expo).....

[Spencer Britt]

WOW! Didn't expect to see Derek in this position, but this is WSM and surprises happen. Brian Shaw is very impressive- can't wait to see what he can do on the deadlift:EP:

I'm rooting for Mariusz, but I think Z will win perhaps by a narrow margin to Pudz or Shaw.

[Paul E Ohl]

I just don't remember if the order of start at WSM is the same as with any other competition, that is the winner of the previous event goes last. If so that will add to the pressure. Zydrunas will have to go all out ...and Mariusz and Brian will have the count to beat...

[AbramJewell]

I don’t want to say told you so on Brian winning arm over arm but…..

Anyways, Shaw’s performance is amazing right now. He was very disappointed the first day. He refocused and did very well today. He is in high spirits and is feeling very strong! He will run with the momentum that he has.

He recently purchased a car deadlift apparatus and has been training every weekend on it for the past couple months. He is ready for reps. To be the best you have to beat the best……

I predict Brian top 3 for deadlift and winning the stones. Best WSM ever!

I can hardly wait until tomorrow morning to get the results!

[Brendan Merchant]

I didn't actually think I could get excited reading somthing on the net.

I was wrong!

I actually really want to see Pudz take it now. It would be an amazing comeback.

[Steve Dohoney]

I can't even work, I keep checking this darm thread every 5 minutes.

If I wasnt in charge I'd fire myself.

[Pat Wilson]

Huge mariusz fan!!!! Lets go mariusz!!!!

[Billy Wolt]

I wouldn't call mariuz being down by .5 a great comeback. He's been placing 2-3 in every event. He's only down .5 because big z did horrible in the boat pull.

[Orie Barnett]

Thanks to everyone for supplying the results...
I myself would like to see Derek pull it off; but it going to be tough. So, if he dosen't I'd like to see Z do it. And if Brian can move into 2 or even win it that would make my Strongman year...
Don't let Pudz win!!! (sorry everyone/even Pudz)
Orie
www.ChriststrengthGym.com

[Pat Wilson]

Mariusz never gives up. He is the best. I wish I could have went to see this in Malta.

[Billy Wolt]

Question: are they going to cut the field down for tomorrow? If so, how will that effect scoring?

[Clint Darden]

Mariusz never gives up. He is the best. I wish I could have went to see this in Malta.

Yeah, I think tickets were only $230 or so from here...

(kicking myself)

[Easton Taylor]

Not worried, Z will take it home.

[LouFatski]

I would call mariuz being down by .5 a great comeback. He's been placing 2-3 in every event. He's only down .5 because big z did horrible in the boat pull.

And because Marius did a mediocre fingal's time... not exactly the best event for his height.

[DaneGarreau]

Glad to see that Travis is making a push. I know he had some difficulties in the qualifiers...but so did MVM in 1996.

[Tony Moses]

It's tough having to try to fill in the gaps once we get the results since the competitors can't post any kind of 1st hand background info. I'll admit I was impressed with Mariusz's performance, specifically on the axel. I thought the 342 would be his undoing, but he performed. I had him pegged for about a 5th place finish and he looks like he'll blow that away.

So, they had a boat pull and a plane pull? What's everyone's thoughts on that? I think one or the other would suffice, but I'm more of a gym lift kind of a guy, I guess pulling ridiculous things like planes and boats gets viewers' attention though.

[Arnell Castillo]

.5 point lead ?!?!?! wow this is awesome... this battle has been building up for years and i'm sure glad it's plying out like this . The two world champions going head to head and now it's down to the last two events . what more can you ask for ?

[WesleyInman]

Im thinking this can go so many directions. I think Shaw and Travis and Derek will beat Pudz and Z in the stones.

I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event.

Definently interesting ending anyway!!

[Jason Alencewicz]

Get it done Mariusz!!! The Dominator is going to show everyone he's the great of all time tomorrow. He wins both events, maybe tie for 1st in DL.

[Daniel Evans]

I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event.



Z beat everyone of them (except for Pudz obviously) in deadlift for reps at Fortissimus the past two years. When has Z ever not looked conditioned for pulling?

[Patryk Deptula]

to tell you guys the truth, at this point i believe that whoever wins, deserves that win, All the strongmen this year are doing an awesome job at going all out!!! So in my opinion, whoever wins, respectfully deserves that win.

[Jared Enderton]

It's tough having to try to fill in the gaps once we get the results since the competitors can't post any kind of 1st hand background info. I'll admit I was impressed with Mariusz's performance, specifically on the axel. I thought the 342 would be his undoing, but he performed. I had him pegged for about a 5th place finish and he looks like he'll blow that away.

So, they had a boat pull and a plane pull? What's everyone's thoughts on that? I think one or the other would suffice, but I'm more of a gym lift kind of a guy, I guess pulling ridiculous things like planes and boats gets viewers' attention though.

the boat pull was arm over arm

[Tony Christopher]

Savickas is going to win the DL for reps. I will all but guarantee that.

If you've watched this event in IFSA over the past few years you know that Z is just about the best deadlifter in strongman either for max weight or heavy repetitions. The only way Z won't do well is if the apparatus is ridiculously light. However, Pudz is going to place very closely behind him ... so going into the final event there shouldn't be more than 2 points or so separating them.

Then it comes down to the the stones, which are a complete wildcard ... no one really knows who's best at a stone loading event that involves a long carry. If I had to guess, I'd predict that Pudz will do better than Z ... the key, however, will be how many people get between them. I can see Pudz beating Z by 1 or 2 places ... and Z still taking the title, or I could see 3 or 4 guys getting in between them, which would enable Pudz to prevail.

Since I can't see Travis, Derek or Brian beating either Pudz or Z at the DL for reps I don't think any of them has a shot at title ... no matter how well they do on the stones. Sorry.

So bottom line ... I think there's about a 60% chance your WSM will be Z, 30% it'll be Pudz, ... and about 10% for anyone else.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Polska Gora.

I've seen this in other sports, and I think we've all seen this of Pudz.

Champions have an extra gear, they never give up. He's like Ahola, always dangerous.

5 Asterixed WSM titles cause of the lack of IFSA guys? No way...

[adam_strak]

Tony, WSM 2004 car deadlift: Mariusz did 10 reps, Zydrunas did 7. Unless Zydrunas has improved significantly since then, I don't think he will beat Mariusz on that one. Given the other facts already mentioned I think Mariusz will win once again. Really exciting to see what Poundstone or Brian can do though...:)

[Aaron West]

If it was a barbell, I'd say Z for sure. With it being a car, Marius has some serious contortionist skills to squeak out those extra reps. It's too close to call.

[Chris Mathison]

If it was a barbell, I'd say Z for sure. With it being a car, Marius has some serious contortionist skills to squeak out those extra reps. It's too close to call.

yep, how many years have we seen Pudz get crazy with the car deadlift and get a few extra reps by doing everything he can to get it up.

[Patrick McGuffin]

I think the only reason Pudz is even competing this year is so he can beat Savikas and shut up all of the nay sayers... That's my opinion. I don't think he cares if he wins as long as his main rival is beneath him.

[Steve Reid]

So say Derek wins stones and deadlifts, what would that do for points and where would that place him in overall standings?

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

At this point, he would need very bad performances from both Pudz and Z to place second, behind Shaw. And bad performances from these 3 to place 1st. I don't know how this could happen.

@Adam: Welcome on this board!

Since 2004, Zydrunas hasn't stopped getting better and better.

He was struggling to place the last stone at this time. He was struggling to deadlift more than 7 heavy reps. He was out of both knee surgery.

Now Zydrunas can deadlift 14-15 heavy reps in a contest, weather with a bar or a car apparatus. He is also one of the very best stone loaders in the world, especially with heavy stones.

I'm rooting for Pudz and Z, I want this title to remain in Europe.

And either man, by winning, would become the best strongman of all times: multiple prizes + "Big Three" for Z, or 6 time champion + beating a very prepared Z for Pudz.

[Muscle Mom]

Axle Clean and Press

1 Zydrunas 10 reps
2 Derek + Mariusz 9 reps
4Travis 7 reps
5 Brian 6 reps
6 LPJ + Phil 5 reps
8 Dave 3 reps
9 Laurence + Terry 2 reps

1 Zydrunas 36pts
2 Mariusz 29.5
3 Derek 28.5
4 Brian 25.5
5 Travis 22.5
6 Terry 19.5
7 Phil 18.5
8 Dave 17
9 Laurence 13.5
10 LPJ 9.5


Boat Pull (arm over arm)

1 Brian 32.44 seconds
2 Mariusz 39.38
3 Travis 45.88
4 Terry 47.07
5 Phil 50.89
6 Laurence 51.13
7 Derek 102.6
8 Zydrunas 102.9
9 Dave 106.1
10 LPJ 12.3 meters

Overall pts after day 2

1 Zydrunas 39 pts
2 Mariusz 38.5
3 Brian 35.5
4 Derek 32.5
5 Travis 30.5
6 Terry 26.5
7 Phil 24.5
8 Dave 19
9 Laurence 18.5
10 LPJ 10.5

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

I just saw Derek's boat pull on his Facebook page, and I think something was going wrong.

At the beginning, it's like his legs are not answering him, maybe due to getting to close to the wood, and at the end, he's tired, his grip seems tired, just my .02

[Dennis Ruygrok]

"I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event."

Couldn't agree with you more. I am still of the opinion it'll either be a Poundstone or Pudz 1st place finish.

[Andrew Czaczkowski]

:EP: GO Pudzianowski!!!!! It looks like he already WON 6 th title!!! :marv: :EP:

[Arnell Castillo]

:EP: GO Pudzianowski!!!!! It looks like he already WON 6 th title!!! :marv: :EP:

How the hell do you figure that ? remember Zydrunas is a champion as well and he's not just gonna lay down and give it to him . Dealift is good for Zydrunas so is stones .

[LouFatski]

If it was a barbell, I'd say Z for sure. With it being a car, Marius has some serious contortionist skills to squeak out those extra reps. It's too close to call.

Contortionist skills? Is that another word for power?

[Mac Smith]

"I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event."

Couldn't agree with you more. I am still of the opinion it'll either be a Poundstone or Pudz 1st place finish.

Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz are all great pullers but where's the evidence that these guys are better pullers than Z. No disrespect to those other guys, but Z is pretty great at pulling too!!:D:

[LouFatski]

I think the only reason Pudz is even competing this year is so he can beat Savikas and shut up all of the nay sayers...

I think he wants that 6th title, Z or no Z.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

"I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event."

Couldn't agree with you more. I am still of the opinion it'll either be a Poundstone or Pudz 1st place finish.

I think if the axle is anything to go by, conditioning won't be a problem for Z on the DL.

[Kurt Hessenbruch]

I say Misha pulls it out in the end.

[John Schuna]

"I think Derek, LPJ, Travis, Pudz will beat Z in the deadlift for reps, because they are great at it, and should come in more conditioned for a high rep event."

Couldn't agree with you more. I am still of the opinion it'll either be a Poundstone or Pudz 1st place finish.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Z beat Derek, Travis, and LPJ in the deadlift for reps at Fortissimus this year?

Besides, didn't Z also hold the WR with the IFSA globes (not sure of the weight exactly - approx. 700#?) at 10 reps for quite a while.

I don't know why people question his conditioning with the deadlift. The only people I remember him being beaten by in a deadlift for reps event in the the near past have been Misha and Felix (there may be others, but these two stand-out).

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Ian Riggs posted an awesome video on Facebook: Mariusz and Derek facing each other with the Axle.

Awesome display of power. Mariusz only did one motion cleans and kept his pace up from the beginning to the end.

[heather hutchison]

If the deadlift is really a car deadlift witht the bar in front that has to favour Mariusz and Derek-but if it is a bar-savickas has a good shot.With the car-Mariusz and Derek seem to have the hitch perfected to get the last 2-3 reps.I think it will depend who goes last-is it winner of last event or are they going to go to overall leader.Whatever the case, what a finale.What time is it in malta right now.

[Paul E Ohl]

At 2008 Fortissimus Zydrunas won with 14 pulls at the Sigmarsson Wheels ( 364 kg/800 lbs). Over Felix.

At 2009 Fortissimus Zydrunas was second to Felix. He did 11 pulls at the Wheels ( 400 kg/880 lbs). His right hand strap gave way and he had already beaten Derek on the count. He played it safe.

Going back to 2002 or 2003 or even 2004 is of no use. Both Mariusz and Zydrunas have improved a lot. As proven by Zydrunas at the Arnold's and mariusz at WSM.

I will call it Zydrunas at the DL and a surprising run at the Stones. A real surprise...

[WesleyInman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Z beat Derek, Travis, and LPJ in the deadlift for reps at Fortissimus this year?

Besides, didn't Z also hold the WR with the IFSA globes (not sure of the weight exactly - approx. 700#?) at 10 reps for quite a while.

I don't know why people question his conditioning with the deadlift. The only people I remember him being beaten by in a deadlift for reps event in the the near past have been Misha and Felix (there may be others, but these two stand-out).


Im just basing this on long term endurance, which Im thinking Z is losing steam, I mean this is a 2 week contest, unlike Fortissimus. And you can't count Derek into that equation, because he was very ill during that contest, i saw it first hand. I don't know what the health of the other athletes was, but your point is certainly valid. Dont get me wrong. I think he is in a very good spot to take first, but devils advocate, you gotta look at all angles.

I even wonder if a dark horse may emerge in the last two events and stir up the number game??

[Jay Hagadorn]

I think it's cute that many think Zydrunas is "less" conditioned than others because he is not sporting a six pack.
:BB:

[JustinLallemand]

Polska Gora.

I've seen this in other sports, and I think we've all seen this of Pudz.

Champions have an extra gear, they never give up. He's like Ahola, always dangerous.

5 Asterixed WSM titles cause of the lack of IFSA guys? No way...


^^^Right here is what I have finally been convinced of. I doubted him too and thought the events were light, or competition was light.

He wouldn't have even shown up this year if he didn't plan to win. (And I'm pulling for BigZ.)

[Mark A Cummings]

I think it's cute that many think Zydrunas is "less" conditioned than others because he is not sporting a six pack.
:BB:

Thank you for finally stating the obvious!!! When will people get off the man's back about not trying to make the cover of Flex?!

[James Deffinbaugh]

This thread just goes around in circles sometimes.
Everyone repeat after me:
Zydrunas is not slow
Zydrunas is not poorly conditioned

I don't think WSM is that intense of a contest. It's one or two events a day, I'm sure all these guys do a lot more volume in training. I don't think Z is going to lose steam.

Last year the car deadlift was 340kg, and Mariusz and Poundstone tied at 10 reps. This year it's 350kg. I predict Z will get 11, Mariusz, Poundstone, and Shaw all at 9 or 10, and Travis, Terry, and Loz at 7 or 8.

[Arnell Castillo]

I think it's cute that many think Zydrunas is "less" conditioned than others because he is not sporting a six pack.
:BB:

For real man ... Has anyone payed any attention to the video of Zydrunas these past few years . look at the 2008 SCL vids,ifsa vids,fortissimus vids,and arnold . I'd take Z's body over a 6 pack anyday . lol....

[LouFatski]

For real man ... Has anyone payed any attention to the video of Zydrunas these past few years . look at the 2008 SCL vids,ifsa vids,fortissimus vids,and arnold . I'd take Z's body over a 6 pack anyday . lol....

I always tell my friends I'm a mini Zavickas but I'll take Marius' body over Z anyday. The man is insanely strong and has minimal body fat. He's a freak! Don't get me wrong, I love Zydrunas. He also has incredible strength and he's a class act.


"Some events is good, some event not so good"

-Zydrunas Savickas

[Jay Hagadorn]

...I'll take Marius' body over Z anyday...Don't get me wrong, I love Zydrunas...



:eek: :disgust: ;) :rolleyes:

[Zac Boman]

Courtesy of Kristen's facebook photo album (really hope you don't mind, too funny not to share):

Remember that time a handful of elite American strength athletes got stuck in an elevator in Malta... That was Awesome...

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/4558/elevator2.jpg (http://img9.imageshack.us/i/elevator2.jpg/) http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/elevator2.jpg/1/w604.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img9/elevator2.jpg/1/)

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6976/elevator.jpg (http://img195.imageshack.us/i/elevator.jpg/) http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/elevator.jpg/1/w453.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img195/elevator.jpg/1/)

Regardless of what happens, I really hope Derek covers this chapter in the contest recap.

[JoeMYurkunas]

Haha! great pics

[Steve Dohoney]

Gee I wonder why it got stuck......

[WesleyInman]

Gee I wonder why it got stuck......

hahaha that is awesome, too funny!! Look at Phister looking out the door LOL.

None of them wanted to tire out for the arm over arm pull or they could have just hoisted the whole elevator up. I think Travis was trying it, look he removed the ceiling tile!

[Spencer Britt]

Alright I'm just going to stay up till 4-5 to get the results, I won't be able to sleep.

MAY THE BEST MAN WIN................

[JustinLallemand]

For real man ... Has anyone payed any attention to the video of Zydrunas these past few years . look at the 2008 SCL vids,ifsa vids,fortissimus vids,and arnold . I'd take Z's body over a 6 pack anyday . lol....

Yeah, I've watched those older IFSA reruns a million times on VS or whatever it is. He never looked slow to me. Best example I can think of is Travis set the WR on the heavy set of stones, then Z did soon after. He obviously moved faster than a lot of guys 75lbs less.

Z just isn't a regular 400lber that would get tired. I don't think his weight will play much of a role in making him recover slower. Especially when talking about a day between events. (I couldn't recover quickly enough at all - if I have a intense training day I would still be sore the next day for sure and probably one or two days even after. Have no idea how Travis did that many contests in a row this past spring!)

That said, almost no one can recover like Pudz if events are same day. When he pulled the plane last year (and most guys collapsed at least for a minute) he sort of took a knee and 2 seconds later was asking what his time was and he was less out of breath than me climbing a few flights of stairs.

It would also be different if Z just now gained a bunch of weight to get to what it is. He's been accustomed to that weight forever (and I bet that, even with his belly, his BF% would be lower than most think anyway). He's just genetically able to handle being huge, as a lot of these guys are. But Z's skeletal mass alone must be a huge amount of weight (training heavy and the fact that you continue to gain bone mass until early 40's).

Just think: only 20 years ago, a lot of NFL lineman were still around 275 or so. Sadler weighs that at 5'8" and lean.

It's amazing how sports evolve - as strongman has become more and more specialized (as opposed to never seeing equipment until day of show) the numbers have risen dramatically. I think that's one reason Kaz will always be an absolute beast. Just think of the videos of him muscling up a 350 log and popping it up with probably little training on it if any.

[Chris Weaver]

It's amazing how sports evolve - as strongman has become more and more specialized (as opposed to never seeing equipment until day of show) the numbers have risen dramatically. I think that's one reason Kaz will always be an absolute beast. Just think of the videos of him muscling up a 350 log and popping it up with probably little training on it if any.

Funny you say that, I was just watching a video of Kaz an Jon Pall and thinking exactly that. There was no internet, hardly any equipment, no strongman training groups, all different types of events (sumo, bar bending, sack loading, arm wrestling). I wonder how they would do in this day in age when tons of info is available over the net, most contests pick from only about a dozen events, and training implements are readily available.

[Ian Duggan]

I predict it thus -

Savickas will win the deadlift, and two people will get between him and Mariusz (who's doing pretty good for somebody who didn't show up eh?) which will widen the gap to a few points.

Then on the stones Mariusz will just beat Big Z and no more, but three others will be faster than them, namely Travis, Dave O. and Poundstone.

So Savickas to win by taking 1st and 5th on the last two events.

Now let's all sit back and watch the complete opposite happen...

10 mins till the scheduled start of the deadlift.

[BradyJones]

WSM Deadlift: 1) Zydrunas Savickas 2) Mariusz and Derek (tIe) 3) Brian Shaw and Terry Hollands (tie)

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Brady are these your predictions, or the actual results???

[Ian Duggan]

Results.

From IronMind Twitter feed.

http://www.twitter.com/IronMind

[Darek Technik]

Dead lift

1. Savickas - 11 reps
2. Pudzianowski - 9
2. Poundstone - 9
4. Shaw - 8
4. Hollands - 8
6. Ortmayer - 7
7. Shahleai - 6
8. Ostlund - 5
9. L.F. Jean - 3
10. Pfister - 0

[Ian Duggan]

So Savickas is what... 3 points clear now?

[Chris Mathison]

Wow.. Z is the man.. worlds strongest man.. finally.

[Daniel Dase]

Talk about a fight till the end.

I think at this moment, nothing outside of a bad injury is gonna stop the 1st and 2nd spots going to Mariusz and Zydrunas(Just not sure which one will be first!), and a big fight for 3rd between Shaw, Poundstone and Ortmayer.

I can't wait to hear the results.

*Edit* Sorry.. was typing this post before the results for the deadlift were posted.

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

With all those half points taken out due to draws with Derek, I hope Mariusz doesn't lose the contest for half a point ! :D

But even a close second place would be awesome anyway, we've all seen why ;)


11 reps for Savickas that's amaaaaaaaaaaaaazing....

[Chris Mathison]

Wow.. Z is the man.. worlds strongest man.. finally.

i know it's premature, but i cant contain myself. All the naysayers about Z and worlds can finally clam it up.

[Darek Technik]

1. Savickas - 49 pts
2. Pudzianowski - 47
3. Shaw - 42
4. Poundstone - 41
5. Ortmayer - 35,5

IMO of course ...

[Ian Duggan]

Lets not be counting chickens now. Stones is the event most prone to error. With this field of stone loaders, one bobble and a few seconds delay could easily mean a drop of three or four places.

Assuming I've got my time differences right (which I ignored before) then the final event should be starting in just under two hours.

Marvellous...

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Ian, Malta is far on the East from France.

I think the event starts in 45 minutes.

[Jim Wood]

i dnt think i have ever seen it this close and just about anything can happen.

Thank you to everyone for keeping us updated.

AWESOME:mag:

[Ian Duggan]

Ian, Malta is far on the East from France.

I think the event starts in 45 minutes.

I think Malta is only GMT+1 isn't it? That would mean the deadlift results came in an hour after the event started, which would be about right. Having said that... yeah, I dunno. Daylight savings might come into play there too.

Damn confusing time differences... :D

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

No, I'm GMT + 1.

Malta, then, is GMT + 2 or 3, but probably 2.

[Jim Wood]

i do believe Malta is GMT +1 MAKING IT 11.05AM.

[Ian Duggan]

From Iron Mind's Twitter -

"World's Strongest Man - Atlas Stones starting in about 15 minutes."

[Piotr Jaczynski]

Shaw wins with Poundstone... Now Big Z and Pudzianowski... Savickas new World's Strongest Man 2009

[Todd Malone]

From the ironmind twitter:

"Zydrunas Savickas just won the World's Strongest Man contest!"

[Brandon Smith]

From Ironmind's twitter:

WSM - Brian Shaw and Derek Poundstone just finished the stones - Brian won and is no worse than third overall.

WSM - Big Z and Mariusz next on the stones - this is for the World's Strongest Man title.

Zydrunas Savickas just won the World's Strongest Man contest!

Congrats to BIG Z! And that is huge for Brian too!

[Brandon Smith]

Pudzianowski second and Brian Shaw third at World's Strongest Man. :BP:

[Darek Technik]

Savickas wins WSM 2009

1. Zydrunas Savickas
2. Mariusz Pudzianowski
3. Brian Shaw

[Arnell Castillo]

Yes !!!!! 2009 wsm zydrunas savickas !!!!!

[Patryk Deptula]

Congrats to Big Z!!! you deserve it, and congrats to all the strongman who tried out there!!!!

[Jim Wood]

What a great competition. Huge well done to all the athletes who competed and made it the best WSM ever.

:marv:

[Declan Mac Daid]

Congrats big time to big Z! Well done to everyone!

[Simon_De_Vogelaere]

wooo wooo wooo wooo

[Jim Harbourne]

amazing, this had to have been one of the greatest group of competitors ever! can't find the other placings yet but I read Travis had the best time on the stones

[Patryk Deptula]

Now i really can't wait to watch this on tv when it airs!!!!!! Great job to all the athletes!!!:yr:

[Orie Barnett]

Congrat's to ALL!!!
Can't wait to see it on ESPN... :):):)

Orie
www.ChriststrengthGym.com

[AbramJewell]

Congratulations Mr. Shaw! What an awesome accomplishment. I think we have a new top American. It's going to be exciting to see Brian in the near future. He just keeps getting better and better. Also, congratulations to all the competitors at WSM. That was a stacked set of pros to say the least.....

[Steve Reid]

Congrats to every competitor! Shaw really rose to the occasion and made a huge statement for himself. And a big congrats to BIG Z, he has been around a long time and certainly has earned this title. He took away the question marks as to whether he is fast enough, has the endurance, and of who is the world's strongest man

[Paul E Ohl]

First and foremost hats off to Mariusz Pudzianowski. He has pushed the best there are to their limits and did so himself.

Mariusz has proven to be the MAN to beat and met the challenge like the champion he was. He stood mighty tall and delivered just as much. And nobody will dare take away what he has accomplished since 2000 . In the saga of WSM he will be remembered as the Dominator of the decade.

As for Zydrunas Savickas , he has now written the chapter that many of us expected him to write. Become the BEST EVER.

Big Z became, minutes ago, the only Strongman in the history of the sport, to win all the major titles ( WSM, Arnold's, IFSA Worlds and Fortissimus) and hold most of the strength records ( 19 at least).

I repeat what I once said: ZYDRUNAS SAVICKAS IS, BY THE TALE OF THE TAPE AND BY THE TRACK RECORD, THE GREATEST STRENGTH ATHLETE OF THE MODERN ERA.

[WesleyInman]

Congrats Z!! And everyone else, awesome contest :)

[Easton Taylor]

Alright BIG Z! Paul, when you said that awhile ago, I put it as my signature! It reigns true! First career triple crown winner, and techincally a quad crown winner (ISFA Worlds)! Like I said before, BIG Z for the win!

[Paul E Ohl]

Easton I thank you by the way for that.

I met Zydrunas for the first time in Kuala Lumpur, back in 2002, the year Mariusz won his first WSM. What struck me then was the way big Z made his way around, quiet as can be, shy and always smiling. He just came back from his severe knee injuries that almost cost him his entire career. He admitted that year that he had never done the Stones or barely. Yet he ended on the podium as runner-up.

In 2003 he won his first Arnold's. And in 2004 he started to line up the incredible string of WR in Strongman.

Last year, at 2008 Fortissimus, he said that he would be back an add the Louis Cyr trophy to his six Arnold's trophies. We all witnessed his performance in 2009. Four world records, six wins over ten events, a complete domination.

As he entered 2009 WSM he walked on Mariusz' territory. And he conquered. This is how history is made.

[Matt Schumann]

Congrats to big z, mariusz and big Brian shaw. Of course I was really pulling for Derek but Derek will bounce back. Just adds fuel to his fire.

[Ryan Duncan]

I can't wait to see this on TV!!!!!

Congratulations to Zarundas, MP and Brian, as well as all the other finalists. Derek has a long career in front of him and he'll get his due, same with LPJ.

Also, stuck in an elevator with Poundstone, Terry Hollands and Phil Pfister? I wouldn't mind...:EL:

[Vincent.Dametta]

Definitely can't wait to see this on tv. Congrats to Big Z and everyone else, especially to Shaw making it to the podium.

[Kurt Hessenbruch]

Greatest WSM ever and yet I'm still disappointed Misha couldn't compete, as that would have put this thing off the charts.

Congrats to Savickas.

[Billy Wolt]

Also, stuck in an elevator with Poundstone, Terry Hollands and Phil Pfister? I wouldn't mind...:EL:

Ummmmm..... Take that to the bear forums????

[Darin Heltemes]

Greatest WSM ever and yet I'm still disappointed Misha couldn't compete, as that would have put this thing off the charts.

Congrats to Savickas.

I second all of that.

----------------------------------

Am I missing the post; what was the outcome of the stones and final points?

[Corey DuCharme]

Happy to have an American on the podium again. Even more excited to watch his career take off from here. Great job Brian!!!

Looks like Z is the all time great, not much of an argument against it.

Mariusz was extremely impressive as well. He proved his ability and pushed until the end.

Great job to Derek, Travis, Phil and Dave as well!!!

Terry was a force and will be for some time to come.

[JustinLallemand]

Congratulations Mr. Shaw! What an awesome accomplishment. I think we have a new top American. It's going to be exciting to see Brian in the near future. He just keeps getting better and better. Also, congratulations to all the competitors at WSM. That was a stacked set of pros to say the least.....

MAN! He's going to be good a long time!!! It's like he showed up one day and started placing 3rd or better and skipped placing 5-10, lol. Seems like there's more of that lately and Poundstone was like that even only a couple years ago. Didn't hear much out of him, then he wins Fortissmus and pushes Pudz to the last stone in WSM.

I think this trend will continue actually. Of course, if someone is up on all of the amatuers, they could see guys coming better than me - I catch most of that stuff here but it's hard to keep track of everyone just turning pro, etc.

[JustinLallemand]

ummmmm..... Take that to the bear forums????

lol!!!!!!!!

[JustinLallemand]

Alright BIG Z! Paul, when you said that awhile ago, I put it as my signature! It reigns true! First career triple crown winner, and techincally a quad crown winner (ISFA Worlds)! Like I said before, BIG Z for the win!

Such an understaded guy for probably being the strongest man that has ever been witnessed by many people. Unbelievable. Great respect for Mariusz that I didn't have for some reason until now. I guess I bought into the stuff that he wasn't competing with the best, etc.

And Gigi is right, at this level, you just don't know. I remember Magnus S. saying that after his win in '98. I mean two off events could drop you 3 spots even...maybe more.

[JustinLallemand]

Congrats to big z, mariusz and big Brian shaw. Of course I was really pulling for Derek but Derek will bounce back. Just adds fuel to his fire.

I have no doubt Poundstone will bounce right back. Since he's been on a roll this is probably his first (sorta) setback. If you can even call it that, but I would guess in his mind it is.

I would not want to face him in his next contest.

Man, when IFSA was around I always wanted to see all of the top guys face off at once and for the most part did. Koklyaev is an obvious absence...such an awesome athelete in general like Jesse with the oly background they remind me of each other in some ways (and Pudz with his multitude of sports - MMA, Rugby, etc. etc.).

Then again, I would hesitate to say anyone there isn't a good all-around athelete. These 3 just stick out in my mind as having the ability to pick up most any sport (other than maybe jockeying a horse) and excelling at it.

[Mac Smith]

BIG UPS TO BIG BRIAN SHAW!!!! Now it's time for him to stop bullsh*tting with strongman, hire himself an agent and go make millions of dollars protecting some whiney, diva, quarterback!!!:p

This kid is a complete athlete any pro football team would be a fool not to, at the very least, offer this kid a look!!! He's the prototype for the perfect offensive tackle. Just Jonathan Ogden with Orlando Pace's mass, and stronger than Larry Allen....damn the possibilities are endless for Brian. I told him this 2yrs ago when he competed in Fresno.

With that said, I've never been a Mariusz fan, but damn he showed me that he is still "the man to beat". It always seems to come down to Mariusz vs Someone. I'm impressed and this is his last WSM, the man definitely went out on his shield!!!!

Nothin needs to be said about Z. The man is truly the strongest being on the face of the planet. I think we've always known this but now we have definitive proof. Like Pudz, what else does Z have to prove? Maybe win the IPF Word Powerlifting championship and then an Olympic Gold Medal in weight lifting? It sounds absurd, but I believe Z is the only one who could truly accomplish all these feats of strength.

YAY FOR ALL THE JACKED FATTIES OF THE WORLD!!! Z has vindicated us all!!!! :D:

[Patrick McGuffin]

YAY FOR ALL THE JACKED FATTIES OF THE WORLD!!! Z has vindicated us all!!!! :D:

Amen to that!

[Dennis Ruygrok]

Hats off to all athletes. It was obviously an amazing competition to watch. I just can't wait for it to be aired on tv.

I'm glad to see Big Z finally winning the big show, it was long overdue.
So, is Mariusz completely finished now?

Dennis

[Paul E Ohl]

Today belongs to the ten giants who made this WSM the greatest in recent years and a memorable one bar none.

Zydrunas Savickas IS THE STRONGEST by any tape or test. 2009 is the year he will enter into the legend of the sport of Strongman.

Mariusz Pudzianowski has proven to be the most formidable competitor that ever entered WSM. 9 times did he enter the finals out of 9 , with 5 wins. He is a Hall of Famer.

Brian Shaw is the Rookie of the Year. Podium at 2009 Fortissimus, podium at 2009 WSM. A huge part of the future of the sport and a possible winner of that coveted title.

Derek Pounstone has suffered a set back. It was not expected. 2009 carried hig hopes and successes, both at the ASM and the Arnold's. He battled to the end at Fortissimus. He is a Force of One. And he will be back and rock the sport.

Travis Ortmayer stands as tall as his native Texas. He is still shy of the Big win. And it will come. His win at the Stones sounds off loud and clear.

Team USA made it happen once more. Three competitors in the top-5. And 50 % of the finalists from the US . A tribute to the relentless work of the ASC, Dione Wessels.

[LouFatski]

I understand Pudz was weighing about 285-290 lbs. this year. Considering Marius is about 100 pounds lighter than big Z, point-wise he took him down to the last event. Does anyone know the final point spread amongst the field?

[Orie Barnett]

Does anyone have the stone placings?

Thanks
www.ChriststrengthGym.com

[Richard Reynolds]

Today belongs to the ten giants who made this WSM the greatest in recent years and a memorable one bar none.

Zydrunas Savickas IS THE STRONGEST by any tape or test. 2009 is the year he will enter into the legend of the sport of Strongman.

Mariusz Pudzianowski has proven to be the most formidable competitor that ever entered WSM. 9 times did he enter the finals out of 9 , with 5 wins. He is a Hall of Famer.

Brian Shaw is the Rookie of the Year. Podium at 2009 Fortissimus, podium at 2009 WSM. A huge part of the future of the sport and a possible winner of that coveted title.

Derek Pounstone has suffered a set back. It was not expected. 2009 carried hig hopes and successes, both at the ASM and the Arnold's. He battled to the end at Fortissimus. He is a Force of One. And he will be back and rock the sport.

Travis Ortmayer stands as tall as his native Texas. He is still shy of the Big win. And it will come. His win at the Stones sounds off loud and clear.

Team USA made it happen once more. Three competitors in the top-5. And 50 % of the finalists from the US . A tribute to the relentless work of the ASC, Dione Wessels and al.
I couldn't have said this any better myself.

[Mike Landrich]

With that said, I've never been a Mariusz fan, but damn he showed me that he is still "the man to beat". It always seems to come down to Mariusz vs Someone. I'm impressed and this is his last WSM, the man definitely went out on his shield!!!!




I agree wholehartedly. Marius has proven he is capable of running with IFSA's best. I gained a lot of respect for him this week. I'm still glad he didn't win though. But, if he had won, he would've earned it and proven me 100% wrong, instead of just mostly wrong:p.

[WesleyInman]

I understand Pudz was weighing about 285-290 lbs. this year. Considering Marius is about 100 pounds lighter than big Z, point-wise he took him down to the last event. Does anyone know the final point spread amongst the field?

I "doubt" he was 290. I saw him at Madison Square Garden WSMSS 08 and I spoke to him and he said it was because he was hurt. He was in the audience at 290. 3 months later he was 320+ and gigantic, pure muscle. I'd imagine that he was 315-320 more likely

[LouFatski]

I "doubt" he was 290. I saw him at Madison Square Garden WSMSS 08 and I spoke to him and he said it was because he was hurt. He was in the audience at 290. 3 months later he was 320+ and gigantic, pure muscle. I'd imagine that he was 315-320 more likely

I'm almost sure he was at about 290 for this gig.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

I'm almost sure he was at about 290 for this gig.

Forget who, but someone in Malta (maybe Kristen?) heard from Pudz and he said that he was under 300. He certainly looks smaller than last year.

[James Deffinbaugh]

Mariusz weighed 243kg (315lbs). He got down to 134kg (295lbs) from the heat, but I heard he got his weight back up for the finals.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pl&u=http://www.pudzian.pl/&ei=dm6JSqy6IJD8sgOa64nfAg&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dpudzial.pl%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26r lz%3D1C1GGLS_enUS291US303

[LouFatski]

The year after Pfister beat him he came in at 330. He'll probably come in 350 next year.

:BP:

[LouFatski]

Does anybody know the final point spread? All I know is Ortmayer took 1st in the stones.

[Jay O'Neill]

I may get flamed for this post... but oh well....
I have alot of respect for Derek Poundstone and I think he is always the man to beat. However, i believe in overtraining and over extending yourself. When you at this elite of a level every minute in the gym counts and every minute of rest counts double.
That being said, when training for the "Big Show" I think you have to put all your effort and focus into it. Being ASM winner is awesome... but in the Big picture, which title means more? ASM or WSM?
I also believe that training with max weights like 750 and 800 pounds for reps in the deadlift as close as he was to the "show" was a mistake. There is no reason to do that other then to prove that you can do it. 6 to 8 weeks out of a strongman Comp training should be mainly event training... sure there may be a dealift event... but picking 800 from the floor 9 times... not in the competition.
Phil Phister hired a coach the year he won his 2006 WSM title... which proves no matter what level you are at in your competitions, you can always learn something.
I think Derek is an awesome competitor and its a matter of time for him to dominate the WSM... I think his training and carreer could use some guidance.
I learned more from my losses in powerlifting and highland games then I learned in my wins....

[Jean-Charles Péronnet]

Good post Jay,

It may be a bit hard to convince Derek about that because obviously working a lot always worked very well for him, but maybe he'll try for a contest.


As for Mariusz's weight...

If you go in Derek's Facebook, you'll see pics of Mariusz, looking incredibly lean and muscular. His back is totally "back to business", especially compared to last year, where Arild Haugen's back was making Mariusz' look inexistant.

[JustinLallemand]

BIG UPS TO BIG BRIAN SHAW!!!! Now it's time for him to stop bullsh*tting with strongman, hire himself an agent and go make millions of dollars protecting some whiney, diva, quarterback!!!:p

This kid is a complete athlete any pro football team would be a fool not to, at the very least, offer this kid a look!!! He's the prototype for the perfect offensive tackle. Just Jonathan Ogden with Orlando Pace's mass, and stronger than Larry Allen....damn the possibilities are endless for Brian. I told him this 2yrs ago when he competed in Fresno.

With that said, I've never been a Mariusz fan, but damn he showed me that he is still "the man to beat". It always seems to come down to Mariusz vs Someone. I'm impressed and this is his last WSM, the man definitely went out on his shield!!!!

Nothin needs to be said about Z. The man is truly the strongest being on the face of the planet. I think we've always known this but now we have definitive proof. Like Pudz, what else does Z have to prove? Maybe win the IPF Word Powerlifting championship and then an Olympic Gold Medal in weight lifting? It sounds absurd, but I believe Z is the only one who could truly accomplish all these feats of strength.

YAY FOR ALL THE JACKED FATTIES OF THE WORLD!!! Z has vindicated us all!!!! :D:

I catch myself thinking how these guys would do in the NFL too! Shaw could play for 2 or 3 years and come back to SM with some serious bank, lol. What about the Z at D-Tackle though? Mariusz at RB. Poundstone at Linebacker. Travis as a 320 (?) Tightend?

LOL...."Jacked Fatties" (now I just need to get the "jacked" part down)

[JustinLallemand]

I may get flamed for this post... but oh well....
I have alot of respect for Derek Poundstone and I think he is always the man to beat. However, i believe in overtraining and over extending yourself. When you at this elite of a level every minute in the gym counts and every minute of rest counts double.
That being said, when training for the "Big Show" I think you have to put all your effort and focus into it. Being ASM winner is awesome... but in the Big picture, which title means more? ASM or WSM?
I also believe that training with max weights like 750 and 800 pounds for reps in the deadlift as close as he was to the "show" was a mistake. There is no reason to do that other then to prove that you can do it. 6 to 8 weeks out of a strongman Comp training should be mainly event training... sure there may be a dealift event... but picking 800 from the floor 9 times... not in the competition.
Phil Phister hired a coach the year he won his 2006 WSM title... which proves no matter what level you are at in your competitions, you can always learn something.
I think Derek is an awesome competitor and its a matter of time for him to dominate the WSM... I think his training and carreer could use some guidance.
I learned more from my losses in powerlifting and highland games then I learned in my wins....

I wouldn't expect a flame for that, but you never know. If you're right - combine that with the fact that a few minor things being off could multiply....it's possible and can make a huge difference in a contest.

He's in great condition so it might be hard for him to even perceive a need to deload. It still astounds me these guys can go 3 days heavy events or so, a few off, then another 2 or 3. Unbelievable. But if you were to train heavy and were only 90% recovered before starting those grueling 10+ days, you would almost certainly hit a wall faster than if the CNS is fully recovered.

He's been so dominant the last couple of years, he maybe never considered it much. But I think you're right - the stress isn't worth the very marginal benefit that could be gained in the week or so prior to a big event. And there really isn't a way to speed up the recovery of the CNS to my knowledge, other than just getting good sleep between days and relaxing.

To me it seems that the CNS is a large factor into the reasons for periodization in the first place. Lifting heavy hits it pretty hard, but may not be too noticable. A really overtrained CNS can make you feel physically ill (I used to when I followed periodization very closely and was done with a heavy load week - feels like the flu). So because of the fact that you can't feel it for sure until it's really overtrained, it may have never even been a concern. But trust me, you are hitting it hard in a normal week, but if you did double what you would in a good week, I would expect that nearly everyone would feel ill. It's like an organ that works well until a certain threshold then goes quickly.

In powerlifting, too long of a deload before a meet might cause a loss of some muscle coordination. Lifting sub-max weights would help to deload two weeks out, then maybe completely off the last week.

I never thought a lot about CNS overtraining before I tried to seriously follow periodization techniques for a while. But it's definitely a factor for these guys even though their muscles tissue and even connective tissue likely heals very quickly. No diet, suppliment, etc. can help the CNS recover more quickly. So when you say each minute of rest counts double, it's true. The marginal benefit is far too low to justify the marginal cost if a top guy were to lift heavy less than 2 weeks out. (And maybe being off or really light after that. Or even some lighter event-specific training would work well.)

I'm completely speculating about how well recovered Derek's CNS was going in (I didn't follow his training all that much in the weeks before.) So I guess my points a more general one. But I totally agree with Jay that if you assume someone is overtrained going in, it's likely going to be a big issue.

[Steve Reid]

I think Jay makes a very good point. Obviously these elite athletes know their body the best and have not reached the status they are at by chance. However, I know for a fact that I could not compete as much as these guys do. If I recall correctly, Travis has said that he competed 11 times this year prior to the WSM. I wonder if that plays any role in his overall training progress and placing at the "main events" (ie. WSM, Arnold, and Fortissimus).

I am not bashing anyone and like I said before, the pros know what is best for them. All I am saying is, I wonder how they would do if they only competed three times a year and trained the rest of the year. Pro bodybuilders at the top level usually only compete once a year at the Olympia. Twice a year at the most, Olympia and Arnold. Because there body's need the rest from dieting and training in order to peak for the big contests. Not comparing bodybuild to strongman, merely saying that maybe there is some merit to that style that could be considered.

Once again, congrats to all who competed!

[Billy Wolt]

I may get flamed for this post... but oh well....
I have alot of respect for Derek Poundstone and I think he is always the man to beat. However, i believe in overtraining and over extending yourself. When you at this elite of a level every minute in the gym counts and every minute of rest counts double.
That being said, when training for the "Big Show" I think you have to put all your effort and focus into it. Being ASM winner is awesome... but in the Big picture, which title means more? ASM or WSM?
I also believe that training with max weights like 750 and 800 pounds for reps in the deadlift as close as he was to the "show" was a mistake. There is no reason to do that other then to prove that you can do it. 6 to 8 weeks out of a strongman Comp training should be mainly event training... sure there may be a dealift event... but picking 800 from the floor 9 times... not in the competition.
Phil Phister hired a coach the year he won his 2006 WSM title... which proves no matter what level you are at in your competitions, you can always learn something.
I think Derek is an awesome competitor and its a matter of time for him to dominate the WSM... I think his training and carreer could use some guidance.
I learned more from my losses in powerlifting and highland games then I learned in my wins....

He had a lot of heavy heavy training in the 4-6 weeks leading up to the contest. Those 2 deadlift attempts were in 4 and 6 weeks out.

I'm going to assume that Derek always trains heavy leading up to a contest....perhaps the other guys were just better this year??

[Paul E Ohl]

Derek is the better man to come up with the answer.

Up to this point, he always prepared very well for every contest. As an example, 2008 Fortissimus and WSM, 2009 Arnold's , ASM , Fortissimus.

The problem with 2009 Fortissimus was a major loss of fluids due to this sudden illness he suffered the day of his arrival. He fought his way through the competition although he had lost some 12 lbs in two days. It showed during day 1. This said, I am not trying to take anything away from Zydrunas winning 2009 Fortissimus. He had his share of problems while making his way to Canada ( passport, flights, etc).

At first sight, overtraining doesn't seem to be the issue with regard to Derek.Just as bodyweight isn't the issue with Mariusz Pudzianowski. He won the 2002 WSM at 280 and a year later he was past 300. And from the reports he was nearly at 320 last year and the year before.

The big difference this year was Zydrunas Savickas. Not his brute strength ( that wasn't challenged at WSM), but his speed and endurance. Time after time it was said that he lacked both. Well this must have come from people that had their eyes "wide shut". Repreatedly big Z demonstrated his skills other than his immense static power. And at this WSM he did it against the best of best in these domains.

I don't have the final count, but Z was certainly 3 points ahead at the end. Which is a good margin. Furthermore , he led Mariusz in Fingal's, Plane Pull, Overhead Axle, DL for reps and Stones, five out of seven. All events involving power, speed and resistance.

Zydrunas is 34 years old. Mariusz will be 33 ( I think) in 2010. Derek just turned 29 ( ?) in September. Looking ahead it would seem that Mariusz will be speculating much before giving it another try. He knows that he doesn't stand a chance with either the Arnold's or Fortissimus ( in its actual format). And, of course, MMA is up close. Could be a definite retreat. Smart decision it would be as he would leave with honor.

Zydrunas may be tempted by another Arnold's. There will be some pressure indeed coming from Dr Todd and al. Maybe from the Governor himself. On the other hand, big Z will have other business to attend, such as politics. Already a national figure he now stands as a national hero.

It all comes down now to the Americans. Derek, Brian, Travis and the lot that will emerge from the grass roots of the sport. A time for a dinasty in Strongman.

[heather hutchison]

Paul,sometimes your posts are very arrogant.What makes you think if Mariusz competed at certain shows he wouldn't leave with honor.He has been beating all the top guys for 10 years,no you can't win all the shows,but the reason he would be going to MMA is money and exposure.You can say what you want,but Mariusz has marketed himself better than any modern strongman.I would think he has made more money than any other strongman in this era.He is a legend whether he competes at your show or not.I think he would have a good chance to win Fortissimus.I think the biggest thing for Mariusz is he doesn't want to sacrifice the way he body looks to gain extra fat and get to the weights he needs to get to,to compete well at the Arnold.I still don't think he would beat Savickas at that show regardless of bodyweight.

[Pierre Suter]

What a contest! Derek and the rest of the guys did an awesome job. I'm happy for Big Z - the strongest man won this time, no doubt about that.

My two cents - since Big Z is virtually unbeatable in the static events, the only way to defeat him is to be extremely well rounded and finish top 2-3 on every event. Derek and Mariusz are both capable of doing that. Unfortunately, a low placing in the boat pull put Derek out of contention.

Shaw did awesome. He's like Pfister with a good deadlift.

Congrats to Travis for a strong performance and once again proving he is the man on the stones.

[Paul E Ohl]

Heather, thank you for reminding me to try to stay politically correct. But I will not.

I have praised Mariusz day in and day out over the years. I celebrated his first win at WSM in Kuala Lumpur next to him. I gave Mariusz tremendous exposure on last year's Fortissimus website and did the same this year. I have kept close contact with Team Pudzian ever since. And, that said, I will maintain my opinion . And I don't have one minute the impression that I am being even a little arrogant.

I repeat that Mariusz is a Hall of Famer by any standards, measures, accomplishments and on and on. He was, and still is in the mind of thousands, the hottest ticket in the sport. And yes, Mariusz is free to enter any contest he feels will be best for himself as an athlete, for his reputation and for his business.

And I repeat that Mariusz would not have won 2008 Fortissimus and certainly not 2009 Fortissimus. Predictably he could have won ( could have, I insist) the Farmer' Walk . Remember though that Derek established a WR in that event. And he would have had a shot at the Power Stairs.Adding that Mariusz doesn't even stand a chance to make any place on the podium of the Arnold's. End of that.

That explained, I do respect your opinion.

[Paul Neuhaus]

Paul,sometimes your posts are very arrogant.What makes you think if Mariusz competed at certain shows he wouldn't leave with honor.He has been beating all the top guys for 10 years,no you can't win all the shows,but the reason he would be going to MMA is money and exposure.You can say what you want,but Mariusz has marketed himself better than any modern strongman.I would think he has made more money than any other strongman in this era.He is a legend whether he competes at your show or not.I think he would have a good chance to win Fortissimus.I think the biggest thing for Mariusz is he doesn't want to sacrifice the way he body looks to gain extra fat and get to the weights he needs to get to,to compete well at the Arnold.I still don't think he would beat Savickas at that show regardless of bodyweight.

Heather, this is not meant to be arguementative but, just pointing out a few facts. Mariusz has not been beating all the top guys for 10 years because he has been avoiding them by not competing at the Arnold and Fortissimus. Also, he would not have to sacrifice his physique by getting fat to win these contests. Just look at Derek's physique... He won the Arnold this year in dominating fassion AND beat Big Z last year at Fortissimus. But, when Pudz competed at the Arnold, he finished mid-pack.

But, you are right about something. Pudz is the richest strongman of all time, and has done the best job of marketing himself. However, I do believe that avoiding The Arnold and Fortissimus was definitely a marketing strategy by preserving a good track record. My point is that avoiding these contests was a very smart business decision. But, we seem to be on opposite sides of the fence as to whether or not it was cowardly. We we're both entitled to that opinion, and that's ok. :D

[Mike Westerling]

Did you guys ever consider that the reason Mariusz doesnt compete in those contests is because as he has said a million times WSM is his #1 goal and the way he feels he would have to train to do well at those shows isn't how he feels he needs to train to do well at WSM? Obviously Z is the better athlete this year under these conditions and no one can doubt that since he just proved it. However, IMO Mariusz is definitely one of the greatest of all time and he's proven it time and time again. He proved it again this year by hanging with big Z, also one of the greatest, right to the end.
-Mike

[heather hutchison]

Thank you Paul Ohl,all of us are so uninformed.End of that.Yes,you do talk down to people.End of that.I think Mariusz could win Fortissimus if he wants.End of that.

[Paul Neuhaus]

Did you guys ever consider that the reason Mariusz doesnt compete in those contests is because as he has said a million times WSM is his #1 goal and the way he feels he would have to train to do well at those shows isn't how he feels he needs to train to do well at WSM? Obviously Z is the better athlete this year under these conditions and no one can doubt that since he just proved it. However, IMO Mariusz is definitely one of the greatest of all time and he's proven it time and time again. He proved it again this year by hanging with big Z, also one of the greatest, right to the end.
-Mike

Mike,
You make a good case, and yes I have considered that theory. However, I respectfully disagree. But, that's ok... I will still send you a Christmas card :D Like I said, we are all on opposite sides of the fence when it comes to this topic, and it's a debate that could last forever with those from either side never changing their minds.

[Jared Enderton]

You could also make an argument that Z avoided WSM because of Mariusz. Z took 2nd in WSM 3x. 2x to mariusz. You could say Z didn't show up them years because it was suited better for mariusz- so he went to ifsa- a style that suited him better, along with the arnold(and other up and coming shows, fortissimus).

Its not that I think that is the case- but- it is something to think about- all smart athletes will focus on what they know they are capable of and will try to become the best at it. Mariusz coming back 4-5 months after having a torn bicep and still staying within 3 pts. of Z IMO is his best performance yet at wsm!! That's just incredible- imagine all the events you can't train and for how long after a torn bicep- and that close to WSM.

[Paul Neuhaus]

You could also make an argument that Z avoided WSM because of Mariusz. Z took 2nd in WSM 3x. 2x to mariusz. You could say Z didn't show up them years because it was suited better for mariusz- so he went to ifsa- a style that suited him better, along with the arnold(and other up and coming shows, fortissimus).

Its not that I think that is the case- but- it is something to think about- all smart athletes will focus on what they know they are capable of and will try to become the best at it. Mariusz coming back 4-5 months after having a torn bicep and still staying within 3 pts. of Z IMO is his best performance yet at wsm!! That's just incredible- imagine all the events you can't train and for how long after a torn bicep- and that close to WSM.

Big Z, along with many other athletes, went to IFSA because they were promised the world. Then, when they found out otherwise, they weren't allowed to compete at WSM because of their IFSA contracts. But, that's all over with now. It's also my understanding that Z wasn't even invited to WSM in 2008 after the fall of IFSA but, I could be wrong