UFC Ultimate Fighter

[WesleyInman]

So figured I'd give a heads up for those of you who didnt know. Kimbo fights in tommorrow nights episode (wednesday) should be decent hopefully. I believe the show starts at either 9pm or 10pm on SPIKE TV.

Im sure they lined him up with a garbage opponent so their season doesn't go to hell like when Petruzelli beat him and the organization shut down or went bankrupt.

So far I have not been impressed by this seasons fights.

Any thoughts??

[jdphil413]

Wesley,
I can let you know that Kimbo's opponent is the truth. If you follow the next UFC pay per view fighters you will see that Ben Rothwell is fighting who was undefeated in the IFC and their champion. Big country took him to two very close decisions. The only negative is that Big Country is a striker and this is a good matchup for Kimbo. I think Rashad may have made a mistake. He could have picked a great ground guy and had his guy win this fight pretty easily. But I am sure he doesn't mind watching a fight where two great strikers are featured either.

[WesleyInman]

Wesley,
I can let you know that Kimbo's opponent is the truth. If you follow the next UFC pay per view fighters you will see that Ben Rothwell is fighting who was undefeated in the IFC and their champion. Big country took him to two very close decisions. The only negative is that Big Country is a striker and this is a good matchup for Kimbo. I think Rashad may have made a mistake. He could have picked a great ground guy and had his guy win this fight pretty easily. But I am sure he doesn't mind watching a fight where two great strikers are featured either.

Awesome this is great news!!! I really figured for the promotional aspect they would just rig this, but you sound like you know this fighter, and to be honest with you, I didnt' even know the fighters name until you said it!!!! I guess I shouldnt assume, but thanks for the info on the thread. Now Im ordering some pizza wings and making this an event!!!!

[Billy Wolt]

I have a feeling Kimbo "takes" the whole thing, then gets a big payday with a title shot against lesner....think of all the ppv money!!!

Seriously though, kimbo looked decent in the first 2 episodes. He's listening to the coaches and doing everything they say.

[Brian Carley]

I have a feeling Kimbo "takes" the whole thing, then gets a big payday with a title shot against lesner....think of all the ppv money!!!

Seriously though, kimbo looked decent in the first 2 episodes. He's listening to the coaches and doing everything they say.

It would be an big money maker because people know Kimbo from youtube and like to see him fight and people who don't follow TUF then they would watch. I'd order the PPV for that fight but I personally don't even think it'd be a contest between Kimbo and Lesnar, Lesnar would kill him.

I don't know about you guys but I don't think there are many people right now who can beat Lesnar. I can't remember the guys name but isn't there some guy out there who is supposed to just be a force in HW but won't come over to fight in the UFC for whatever reason? I would like to see that fight, if I'm in fact right on that, if not then i'm an idiot.

[Mac Smith]

It would be an big money maker because people know Kimbo from youtube and like to see him fight and people who don't follow TUF then they would watch. I'd order the PPV for that fight but I personally don't even think it'd be a contest between Kimbo and Lesnar, Lesnar would kill him.

I don't know about you guys but I don't think there are many people right now who can beat Lesnar. I can't remember the guys name but isn't there some guy out there who is supposed to just be a force in HW but won't come over to fight in the UFC for whatever reason? I would like to see that fight, if I'm in fact right on that, if not then i'm an idiot.

The guy you are referring to is Fedor Emerilenko (sp?). And him not fighting in the UFC has nothing to do with Lesnar but everything to do with his promotional company and the UFC. Fedor, to many, is the P4P best in the world. He's not as well known as Lesnar because of Lesnar's WWE background and the popularity of the UFC, but rest assured, Fedor is a beast. Outside Anderson Silva, Fedor is probably the most complete MMA fighter on the planet.

[Matthew White]

I dunno, I think Fedor is pretty well known. I would love to see that fight though between Fedor and Lesnar.

As for Kimbo and Lesnar, that wouldn't be a fight, it would be a one way conversation with Lesnar walking away smiling about another paycheck. Kimbo is getting better, but nowhere near title shot.

[Alex Klotz]

Roy Nelson is no garbage opponent.

[Scott Tully]

Roy Nelson is a black belt in BJJ under Renzo Gracie, hes no slouch on the ground at all, just more known for banging, he actually has a grappling win over Frank Mir, who is a beast on the ground.

ST

[JohnCook]

Roy Nelson is a black belt in BJJ under Renzo Gracie, hes no slouch on the ground at all, just more known for banging, he actually has a grappling win over Frank Mir, who is a beast on the ground.

ST

Exactly.....Roy Nelson is not a "striker". He's a talented grappler that likes to bang it out on the feet. He's definitely the most decorated and experienced fighter of this season by far. Personally, unless Kimbo has improved tremendously, I don't see him fairing well against Nelson. With that said, I hope Kimbo does well. The guy gets way more hate then he deserves. He might come from a shady background, but it seems to me he is a perfectly respectful dude and is eager to expand his game. I have lots of respect for that.

[BrentHamm]

I think kimbo is going to get his ass kicked.

[Jamie Christman]

I think if Kimbo wins this first fight, and does well in his second fight, you will see him in the UFC anyway. Dana White is a smart business man. He knows Slice will bring a crowd to PPV.

[Louis Costa]

Dana has always said he wanted no part of kimbo...and this was his only shot on getting into the UFC...Kimbo already screwed up in a huge ppv to a nobody.

What good is it to the UFC to have huge numbers for one PPV (prolly wouldn't be much more than other title fights anyways) and then for the UFC and Dana just to get egg on his their face if kimbo gets destroyed? Which in my opinion would be a heavy possibility.

Having kimbo come through ultimate fighter and earn a shot is the safest/smartest way to go about it. Kimbo is in his mid 30's...its not like he's got years to learn and develop into a great fighter. He's barely an accomplished striker as is.

Kimbo is def. a talented fighter but if he is so talented and dangerous....I think UFC is doing it right by making him earn it. He was already "given" an opportunity and it was joke.

I would love to see Kimbo and Lesner.....much more so than any other HW out there right now besides fedor (which apparently is never going to happen now). But it would only be worth it to have kimbo win UF...take on a top ranked HW...and then earn his spot.

I would Def. Pay to see that fight.

[Tony Moses]

I don't see Fedor as much of a problem for Lesnar. Fedor has a chance of course, but no more than Frank Mir did of catching a submission. Say what you will about Fedor's submission game (which is one of the best ever), it's still no better than Mir's. I personally don't see Fedor matching up well against Lesnar. Watch the Fedor - Mark Coleman fight, now Fedor did win, but watch the beginning and look at the position Fedor gets himself into. If he did that against Lesnar, I think the fight would be over right there.

I think the key to solving Lesnar is a guy with good enough wrestling to stuff some takedowns (like Couture was able to), but who is an excellent striker who can do something while they're standing. Some may not agree, but right now I think the HW who matches up well against Lesnar is Josh Barnett, and I am not so sure if he could fully realize his strengths in the UFC because an 8-sided Octagon in a cage that doesn't allow much separation between guys doesn't favor a striker like a ring with 4 corners.

Kimbo doesn't belong on the same mat with Lesnar and the fight would be an absolute joke in every respect except PPV buys. Shane Carwin in this next fight isn't the answer either, he's big (but not as big as Lesnar), he's strong (but not as strong as Lesnar), he's athletic (but not as athletic as Lesnar), and he's a very good wrestler (but not in Lesnar's league), and that's about it.

[WesleyInman]

30 more minutes!!

[Cody Brant]

KIMBOO SLIIICCCCEEEEE: Street Certified
haha I hope kimbo wins, he could probably just lay on roy nelson and roy would tap out due to a beard choke

[Jason Nunn]

KIMBOO SLIIICCCCEEEEE: Street Certified
haha I hope kimbo wins, he could probably just lay on roy nelson and roy would tap out due to a beard choke

That thing does look nasty. Can't wait for the show 15 more minutes!

[Cody Brant]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh kimbo slice looks like a lumberjack, and he's okay. He sleeps on night and he beats down fools all dayyy!

[John Sullivan]

Kimbo isn't gonna win

[tim bolin]

worst part of this is season is one of my good friends is on there (wes sims) and he is legally obligated not to mention any of the winners.... he's a tough nut to crack wont say anything the big s.o.b.

big tim

[Billy Wolt]

WOW what a weak stoppage. those punches were gay.

Kimbo looked pretty good despite having that fat guy sitting on him.

[WesleyInman]

Kimbo loses!!

[anton axelsson]

not impressed at all...
i was kinda rooting for kimbo the man can box but has no takedown defense and no ground skill but look like he will get a second chance.
and to loose to fat boy that kept taping him on the top of the head no harder then my kids do when we play fight WTF weak stopage

[Justin Ely]

That fight was a TOTAL let down. Kimbo starfished on the ground more than my second girlfriend - and she was a total "lay there and take it" type. Hell, it's like as soon as he was on his back his legs went numb and kind of waddled it out. There should have been no way that his arm could have so easily have been put under Nelson's knee.....

ARRRGGG...... Bas Rutten is an MMA God and apparently he didn't sponge up any of that first class training. Grrrr.... I wish he would have performed better. I'm not saying that he had to win, just perform.

Kimbo "Starfish" Slice


All Hail Bas "Everything Underestimates the kick in the groin" Rutten. ( He had an awesome cameo on King of Queens - "No Touch" )

Edit: I do realize he would make my face mushy very easily, but I mean in the context of where he was.

[Matt Schumann]

Well that was disapointing. Pretty much didn't answer any of the questions we all had. Hopfully we will see him again in the ufc.

[Cody Brant]

Yeah I was wondering why kimbo wasn't moving at all, but again who could with that belly on him hahah it looked like he was suffocating but yeah either way roy did "enough" do win the fight, those looked like little love taps that didnt do much to kimbo, especially having that beard to cushion him ha. But all in all figures they'd hype up kimbo all the way up until he fights then he loses, hopefully he comes back later in the season.

[Paul_Koskinen]

Reason #26543 why I'll never shell out the money for a pay per view MMA fight.

[Mac Smith]

Absolutely disappointed!!!! It even seemed like Herb Dean was pissed off that he had to stop the fight for some b*llsh*t strikes like that! How anyone can win a fight just by laying on top of a person and tapping the top of his head is beyond me. Herb Dean should have stopped the fight and called it for Kimbo saying that Big Country tapped!!! :LOL:

[BrentHamm]

That sucked. Oddly..i think i like Kimbo a bit more after today's episode.

And Roy..hmm..well...i guess he did what he needed too....but sure sucked to watch that kind of win.

[GregMonfredo]

Everyone is saying how disappointed they are and how lame it was that Roy Nelson won by just laying on Kimbo and doing nothing, but Kimbo was the one that just laid there not knowing what the hell to do. I say this goes to show even more that Kimbo is NOT a good fighter nor should he be in the UFC.

If you wanna call "weak stoppage," then call it on Kimbo's account, not Roy's. What was Herb supposed to do just let Kimbo lay there like a bozo getting smacked on the head for the last three minutes of the fight? Even if they did that, Kimbo would have lost by decision.

[WesleyInman]

That sucked. Oddly..i think i like Kimbo a bit more after today's episode.

And Roy..hmm..well...i guess he did what he needed too....but sure sucked to watch that kind of win.

Agreed, I actually thought Kimbo sounded better, and more professional that he's not using street talk like in his old videos. I think he leaned out considerably, and wonder if thats why he was missing that shear power on his strikes??

Kimbo couldn't budge him off. The best was at the end, Rampage said, it might as well have been the moon laying on top you, in reference to Nelsons bodyweight LOL

[Mac Smith]

Everyone is saying how disappointed they are and how lame it was that Roy Nelson won by just laying on Kimbo and doing nothing, but Kimbo was the one that just laid there not knowing what the hell to do. I say this goes to show even more that Kimbo is NOT a good fighter nor should he be in the UFC.

If you wanna call "weak stoppage," then call it on Kimbo's account, not Roy's. What was Herb supposed to do just let Kimbo lay there like a bozo getting smacked on the head for the last three minutes of the fight? Even if they did that, Kimbo would have lost by decision.

I disagree 100%. Many fighters have been put in that same position (Matt Hughes vs. BJ Penn is one example) and the winner usually rains down punches with power, not love taps like Roy did. Lesnar uses his weight to his advantage and smothers people as well but when he rains down punches, he, again, puts something behind them to make the stoppage as convincing as possible.

No one expected Herb Dean to allow Kimbo to lay there for three minutes and keep getting tapped on. What I'm saying is if you are going to make a statement by beating anyone, make that statement by punishing your opponent, make it convincing!!! The referee should stop a fight because of the punishment a fighter is taking, not because he simply couldn't 'get up'!!! Just my .02!

[GregMonfredo]

My point wasn't to defend Roy Nelson, my point was that Kimbo barely even TRIED to get out. There was only one time that Kimbo looked like he tried to pull himself out form underneath Roy. The rest of the time he basically just laid there getting love tapped in the head. Roy didn't do anything great, but Kimbo deserved to lose the fight.

[AaRoNSnider]

I thought the fight sucked all around.Once Kimbo was down he didnt look like he was trying,and I hate to see heavier fighters that pretty much just lay on the other guy.It obviously worked for him,but as a spectator I wasnt impressed at all.

[anton axelsson]

my 2 cents is instead of stoping the fight with such weak love taping on the top of the head he couldove stood them up. im not saying that kimbo deserved to win far from it but that was weak. and anyone of us would be flatened out by that big gut to say that kimbo cant fight is just wrong he might not be a ufc fighter YET but he can street fight with the best of them

[AaRoNSnider]

instead of stoping the fight with such weak love taping on the top of the head he couldove stood them up.

I dont know much about the rules and such,but I agree.Kimbo jumped right up after the fight.I guess the refs have to use their discression though.

[Brad Morris]

I have to agree that it did not look like Kimbo was doing much to get out from the bottom. The strikes did not look to be heavy or damaging strikes but they were repeated and undefended, I think that is the reason the fight was stopped. Kimbo did not even looked dazed but he was in a bad position and not intelligently defending himself.

[Billy Wolt]

maybe kimbo didn't "look" like he was trying to get up because he was hoping the ref would stand them up because of that nonsense....so why waste energy.

but since the only fighter among us is Brad, i'd like to know what do you do in that situation where your arms and upper body are pinned by a much heavier guy?

[Brad Morris]

Billy it really comes back to hip movement and bridging. Any of the guys on here with wrestling experience will attest to that. Kimbo is prmarily a striker, he does not look comfortable grappling and I would imagine has not learnt when and where to rest whilst grappling for position when standing. He spent most of the first round trying to defend a take down and then was eventually taken down and had a big heavyweight riding him until the end of the round. Grappling like that is always hard work and especially so for someone who is not a well experienced wrestler.

Kimbo did do the right thing and used the fence to try and roll out towards the end of the first round but his movement on the ground still looks to be rudimentary. If you watch Kimbo's lower body during most of the final round of the fight there is virtually no movement, his hips are flat. Hip movement and bridging are the keys to creating space and finding a way out of danger.

[Billy Wolt]

Billy it really comes back to hip movement and bridging. Any of the guys on here with wrestling experience will attest to that. Kimbo is prmarily a striker, he does not look comfortable grappling and I would imagine has not learnt when and where to rest whilst grappling for position when standing. He spent most of the first round trying to defend a take down and then was eventually taken down and had a big heavyweight riding him until the end of the round. Grappling like that is always hard work and especially so for someone who is not a well experienced wrestler.

Kimbo did do the right thing and used the fence to try and roll out towards the end of the first round but his movement on the ground still looks to be rudimentary. If you watch Kimbo's lower body during most of the final round of the fight there is virtually no movement, his hips are flat. Hip movement and bridging are the keys to creating space and finding a way out of danger.

thanks Brad. Maybe he didn't feel like he was in danger from those sissy punches and probably thought trying to get out would put him in a bad spot.

Prior to the fight, Roy did mention that he would try to get him in that position and the ref would have to call the fight.

I agree with mac, refs should only stop a fight if a fighter is in danger. Those punches were the equivilant of nothing happening so he should have stood them up

[D.J. Satterfield]

Those punches were the equivilant of nothing happening so he should have stood them up

Good point. No blood, no cuts, nothing. They should have been stood up.
Watch the first night, ie: Abe Wagner, if you want to see what ground punches should be accomplishing.

[Tom Hutchison]

Don't underestimate the Belly. Respect the Belly. Fear the Belly.

Well Roy, who is clearly an A-hole, did what he needed to do to win within the rules. Herb had to call it to stop the shear absurdity of what was going on. What are we supposed to do, watch 3 more minutes of that baloney. Roy certainly wasn't hurting him, but was embarrasing Kimbo who lay there like a 6th grader.

Kimbo seems like a pretty cool dude. I hope he learns some ground game while he's there to combine with his imposing striking.

[GregMonfredo]

Herb Dean, who in my opinion is one of the best mma refs, would know to stand the fighters up if need be. At least in my opinion.

It still goes to the point that saying Roy did nothing to win the fight just shows how bad Kimbo really is. If Kimbo was as good as people are wishing he was, then Roy wouldn't have won the fight when he "did nothing." I'd be saying the same thing if Herb stood them up and Roy just took Kimbo down again for the last couple minutes of the round--because Roy would have won either way.

There's more to mma than just pounding on people.

[Tony Moses]

While the whole concept is pretty cool, Kimbo just isn't a good fighter with very much potential. Period.

I agree Kimbo seems like a likeable guy and he is marketable, but aside from having no ground game, he isn't really even a good striker when compared to professional fighters. I mean, in You Tube vids of street fights he looks like a striker because he is hitting ass clowns who couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. In the Petruzelli fight where he got knocked out in a few seconds, it's clear that Kimbo can't strike with a trained fighter. It's fun to wish he'd develop into a legit fighter, but he just isn't good, and his you tube mystique wasn't because he's a good striker, it's because all street fighters do is strike and also because street fights are between untrained, unskilled fighters who may be fearless, and who may be hard-nosed guys, but they still don't know how to really fight.

Street fighters always strike, it's all they know how to do, but they just aren't trained in the sweet science of striking. Street fighting isn't the same as properly learning how to fight from a young age. I'd say Kimbo is nowhere near UFC-caliber in any aspect. He's marketable, he has a good look, he's likeable, and those youtube vids certainly promoted him to some sort of a cult legend, but I personally think he's be better suited to make some bank in the WWE than in MMA.

[Jay O'Neill]

the only thing more annoying then watching Roy Nelson was listening to Rampage talk about his Belly... how many times can you same Belly... we got it!

[Kevin Dunkerton]

I just saw on the website sherdog that spike is saying 6 million people watched the fight. The UFC should track down the kids from the best internet fight videos and let them brawl, think of the ratings.

The real tragedy involved in all of this is that from what I've heard Dana White didn't want Nelson in the UFC because he had a gut, despite the fact that Nelson had the credentials. Now he easily handles a guy who is obviously tough, but for the most part is only popular because he looks like he came out of a comic book, and everyone is pissed.

The more top level wrestlers that get into the sport the more fights like this people are going to see. Cane Velazquez did this exact same thing to Jake O'Brien, and something very similar to Cheick Kongo. The cool thing about MMA is that fighters evolve and learn to deal with those attacks.

[AaRoNSnider]

The real tragedy involved in all of this is that from what I've heard Dana White didn't want Nelson in the UFC because he had a gut, despite the fact that Nelson had the credentials.

That actually doesnt surprise me.Ive got that vibe all along.I think that the fight last night didnt help.Sure he won,but the way he did sucked.No one wants to see that.I watched a fight locally where a larger guy pretty much just laid on the other guy once he got him down.There was nothing technical about it...he just weighed ALOT more and was smothering the guy.Although the heavier guy won,I was told that the promoter said he would never invite him to fight again.

the only thing more annoying then watching Roy Nelson was listening to Rampage talk about his Belly... how many times can you same Belly... we got it!

I like Rampage,but his comments do get old.Thats stupid stuff that high school kids say to get under someones skin.It would have been funny if the guy from England would have slapped him.Would have probably got him kicked off the show,but would have been funny.Kind of like Glen Danzig getting knocked out.

[Alex Klotz]

I don't know why he gets so much flak for completely dominating the guy. The way he took him down, passed his guard, layed in hooks, passed to side control, trapped his arm, set up a crucifix, was extremely technical.

There are plenty of instances of fat guys losing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4754358887413654428#

[Billy Wolt]

I don't know why he gets so much flak for completely dominating the guy. The way he took him down, passed his guard, layed in hooks, passed to side control, trapped his arm, set up a crucifix, was extremely technical.

There are plenty of instances of fat guys losing.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4754358887413654428#

I also like the way he got punched in face, looked desperate and did everything he could to lay on him.

If you call leaning your 264lb body into to someones arm to get your knee on ittechnical, then i'm not going to argue.

it was kinda like when my 160lb nephew tries to wrestle with me. It's such a technical match, that it takes my years of training to smother him and make it so he can't move....skills, not size...yea, that's it.

[rickfreitag]

I hope Kimbo grows to be a great UFC talent. I like the guy. He's a cool dude.

I don't ever care to see Roy fight again.

[Jason Nunn]

I hope Kimbo grows to be a great UFC talent. I like the guy. He's a cool dude.

I don't ever care to see Roy fight again.

I'd have to agree with this. I'll be honest, I thought Kimbo was going to have this huge ego, but he seems really humble. Roy comes off as quite the dbag.

[ALANWHITEHURST]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Klotz
I don't know why he gets so much flak for completely dominating the guy. The way he took him down, passed his guard, layed in hooks, passed to side control, trapped his arm, set up a crucifix, was extremely technical.


The "technical" moves I saw Roy do on Wednesday night was equivalent to watching a coach show you a new submission as you lay there doing nothing. I am not saying Roy isnt good or has a good chin, but even in the clips leading up to fight he was saying things like even if I slap Kimbo on the face multiple times the ref has to acknowledge that he is getting hit without defense. To me that was like saying the ref should stop the fight just because I have my arm around the guys neck...he might get choked out.

I feel that when you are on that show, even if you lose you still have great opportunites. If you fight your heart out and lose then Dana still will see that and respect it and then you possibly get on the undercards and fight nights. The performance I saw from Roy was very forgettable. The only reason it will get talked about is because it was against Kimbo.
His actions and attitude after the fight were retarded too. :IMHO:

[Billy Wolt]

Just wanted to add a final point for those that are sayin Roy was the better technician and kimbo flailed around.

I am a fan of the sport. I don't care about the different specializations, skills etc, I want to see a good match. Some of the best matches were straight up brawls. I also like seeing a match with two fighters with great ground games.

From a fans perspective, that stoppage was dumb. Was it within the rules, sure, but it's a retarded rule. I'm sure many fans agree.

Fans pay the bills for the ufc.

[Tony Moses]

As far as this actual fight went . . . what could you really expect? Yeah, it's a crappy way to see a fight end, and yeah, those hits were tip tap bullcrap, lol . . . but the fact of the matter is that none of it matters because Kimbo DOESN'T KNOW HOW TO FIGHT. When the idea of MMA was first conceived (before it was even called MMA), fat guys came and there were no weight classes and they weighed A LOT more than Roy Nelson and the guys they fought weighed A LOT less than Kimbo, and you know what? Pro fighting isn't the school yard, it isn't clowning around with your 12 yr old brother, and it isn't the bar, if somebody is a skilled fighter (as someone who is paid to fight should be), simply outweighing them and laying on them doesn't work. If a big, fat, unskilled slob tried to just use his weight to win a fight against a real fighter, I have a shocking revelation, it won't work!!

I do agree that from a fan's perspective, the fight sucked, but it really could've been stopped in the 1st round when Kimbo didn't know what to do then either. If they got stood up, the same thing would've happened. I agree with most of you guys that the fight sucked and it's a crappy way to be stopped, but that ref knows more about MMA than most people on this board could imagine and the fact is we didn't have a situation where Kimbo is this great fighter who "got laid on by a heavy guy," if that were the case, the "fat slob" doing nothing but lay on Kimbo would've lost and lost bad. Joyce Gracie routinely gave up 50-100lbs when this thing got off the ground and it didn't matter.

What happened here was a guy who is a trained, professional fighter (Nelson) did what he had to do to beat a guy who, despite his status as YouTube stud, really, honestly isn't a good fighter, and that's about as tactful as you can put it. Not that Nelson put on a technical show, but he does know how to fight. The point being that if Kimbo knew how to fight, Big Country would've had to have worked a little harder and do a little more than was required.

To listen to some of the comments about Kimbo's striking, you'd think it was Evander Holyfield trying to learn some ground game for crying out loud, lol . . . Kimbo isn't schooled in the sweet science of boxing, he beat up a bunch of wet towels on youtube in a parking lot, that isn't a sign of any potential . . . no matter how admittedly cool it would be.

But, to clear up, that fight sucked, wasn't entertaining, and I do know why so many people are annoyed it was stopped. But, if Kimbo knew how to F--k to fight well enough to even deserve being on the Ultimate Fighter, it would NOT have gone down that way.

[Billy Wolt]

Based on what I saw, then Roy doesn't know how to fight as well.

I'll refer back to my example of me wrestling my 160lb nephew. I guess I'm just the better wrestler and had absolutely nothing to do with size.

We pretty much knew going into the fight that kimbo has no ground skills, and Roy basically said he wa going to sit on him and smack him. So yea, if that's real fighting and not working the rules to your advantage, then I will quit watching ufc.

Instead of pulling that bs, Roy should have submitted him or really laid the hammer down to get a real stoppage.

[Jason Sneed]

To listen to some of the comments about Kimbo's striking, you'd think it was Evander Holyfield trying to learn some ground game for crying out loud, lol . . . Kimbo isn't schooled in the sweet science of boxing, he beat up a bunch of wet towels on youtube in a parking lot, that isn't a sign of any potential . . . no matter how admittedly cool it would be.


At least someone gets it. Kimbo will never be a good fighter. He's 35 and your ability to learn ground skills diminishes significantly at a later age. Further, he's not a good striker as Tony says. He should have been trying to keep the distance with Roy using his jab. But he has none. He just throws "power" punches. I say "power" because some people seem to think that he wrecking ball hands and is the second coming of Igor V. He has at best average power for a HW. James Thompson has been KOed repeatedly by one punch and he took numerous flush shots to the chin when he fought Kimbo. Further, Roy's jab was really throwing Kimbo off in the first 2 minutes of the fight (then for some reason, he stopped throwing it). Finally, Kimbo's chin is pretty questionable after the Petruzelli fight. Kimbo's a cool, laid back guy, but he's a spectacle not a fighter.

Roy is a top 20 HW. He has dominated Frank Mir in sub grappling tournaments. He wasn't that impressive against Kimbo, but despite his unimpressive appearance, is a talented fighter.

Think about the format of the TUF show. You fight 3 times in under 6 weeks. If you get a bad cut, then you're out. Roy went into a very safe, completely dominant position where he avoided any risk. You can't land that hard of punches when you crucifix a guy, but if the other guy can't get out then you win the fight. The point is Kimbo let Roy get there twice. I'm not saying the fight was great (it was better than the first 2 though), but Roy's strategy makes sense if you think about it.

[Tony Moses]

Based on what I saw, then Roy doesn't know how to fight as well.

I'll refer back to my example of me wrestling my 160lb nephew. I guess I'm just the better wrestler and had absolutely nothing to do with size.

We pretty much knew going into the fight that kimbo has no ground skills, and Roy basically said he wa going to sit on him and smack him. So yea, if that's real fighting and not working the rules to your advantage, then I will quit watching ufc.

Instead of pulling that bs, Roy should have submitted him or really laid the hammer down to get a real stoppage.

Come on my man, it's your nephew!! If it was 155lb BJ Penn and you tried to do that, what would happen?

[GregMonfredo]

Great posts Tony.

People are still not understanding the point that just because it was a boring fight, and Roy didn't have to do much to win, that it shows more so how terrible Kimbo really is. Roy could have not even love tapped him on the head those couple dozen of times and he still would have won the fight because Kimbo did absolutely nothing and does not know what to do.

And Billy--a 240lbs (I apologize if you're lighter than this) adult sitting on top of a 160lbs kid who probably never touched a weight in his life is NO HERE CLOSE to a 265lbs guy fighting a strong, "jacked" 240lbs(?) guy who is supposedly a "great fighter."

Obviously Roy could have done more to please the fans of UFC and obviously could have pounded the hell out of Kimbo's head, but I personally think that Roy was more toying with Kimbo to prove a point that Kimbo should not be anywhere near the UFC or MMA in general.

[Billy Wolt]

I understand what u guys are saying, but I'm not defending kimbos abilities or lack of. I'm just saying a stoppage should only occur if a fighter is in trouble. Had that been the rule, then Roy would have to actually fight.

[Matt Corley]

I'm still not sure why he didn't try harder to get a submission. The guys a black belt under Renzo Gracie. It shouldn't have been that hard for him. I saw one arm bar attempt from the mount and a few half-hearted kimuras.

[WesleyInman]

Heres the fight just in case anyone missed it:

http://www.mma-core.com/videos/_TUF_10_Episode_3_The_Enemy_Part_2?vid=10006743&tid=107

[Kalle Beck]

Roy said before the fight exactly what he planned to do and he did it. Not the best way to win over fans bu he took little damage with minimal effort considering he will be fighting again very soon.

He is a skilled fighter. BJJ black belt under Renzo Gracie, beat Frank Mir in a grappling match, Beat Ben Rothwell who is on the main card of an upcoming UFC.

So far there hasn't been one decent fight on this season. I was really hoping this would bring some new talent to the HW div but hopefully someone shows some promise still another 10 fighters who haven't fought............ I think Brandon Schaub will do well.

[Jason Sneed]

Beat Ben Rothwell who is on the main card of an upcoming UFC.


Not technically, but I agree that he won that fight. I also think he got robbed against Monson.

Bloodyelbow.com had a preview of the TUF 10 cast a while back, and they suggest ed that are about 3 or 4 decent HWs besides Roy. The rest are pretty raw or just plain terrible.

[WesleyInman]

Anyone else watching this tommorrow night, or do you predict the rest of the season to be a flop?

Do you guys like the actual show, or just the fight portion, or both? Curious, I only really like watching the actual fight, not a big fan of the reality portion.

[davebeers]

after watching the kimbo vs roy fight and having no fight experience or expertise i would say that roy won with submission by giant gut

I will be watching the rest of the season, the fights can only get better from here and the training is interesting to watch. I feel for the guys doing the training, looks like tough stuff especially for 250lb guys

[Jason Sneed]

Anyone else watching this tommorrow night, or do you predict the rest of the season to be a flop?

Do you guys like the actual show, or just the fight portion, or both? Curious, I only really like watching the actual fight, not a big fan of the reality portion.

I'll be watching, and I think that there's still hope for the rest of the season. I watch it for the fights, to see the training, and to see if there are any interesting up-and-comers to watch for. In other seasons, they started showing drunken high jinx all the time and almost no training. There were funny moments, but it got old really quickly. I'm glad that they are focusing more on the actually training and fighting with a few Rampage moments thrown in.

I see the biggest problem with this season as this. In recent seasons, the guys have been forced to fight before making it on the show. This really ensured that better guys made it on the show instead of just personalities that were there for ratings. There was no elimination round this time, and you can see it in the talent pool. It's clear why they didn't have an elimination round : people want to see Kimbo and how the NFL guys transition to MMA. You can't risk losing those ratings if some are eliminated before making it into the house.

Out of the 6 guys that have fought, I think 2 have some potential in the UFC : Roy Nelson and the wrestler in the first fight (although he's probably more of a 205 guy).

[Jay Lee]

i must say, kimbo woud be a hell of a lot better off with boxing than mma. kimbo gets ruled on the ground, but standing game hes still meh...... but has knockout abilitly

[Scott Tully]

Im interested to see how Justin Wren and Brendan Schaub do, they are both young and look to have alot of potential.

ST

[WesleyInman]

I thought this episode was actually more decent, and I see what you guys are saying about the training part, I like that portion as well, I just am not into the "mtv real world" style drinking and fake arguing portions that I have seen.

I thought this fight was ok, I actually can't believe that he got choked out so simply, I had my money on the guy that lost, he was elbowing the hell outta that guy on the floor!!!!

[Alex Klotz]

Anaconda choke!

[Steve Dohoney]

All the guys who have fought seem to have very limited ground skills. A decent HS wrestler has more presence on the ground that these guys. I mean come on, wizzer, bridge, spin. Bring it back old school!

[Steve Kirit]

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