another strongman debate

[Brad Schofield]

i know there have been a ton of these"whos the strongest" debates, but i have to settle this once and for all. a freind and i have a debate going on whether mark henry is the strongest man that ever lived. you see, he says that mark is and i say hes not. and we are talking brute strength here. not oly lifting(which i think counts) but raw pl lifts and or strongman events. i say there have been stronger like zydrunas or paul anderson. what do you guys think?

[davebeers]

i say definitely not.
Ed coan is the strongest man ever IMO. 901 deadlift at 220...nuff said.
The man does raw squats with 900lbs and i'm seen video of a 400lb behind-the-neck strict press.

[Jesse Marunde]

he's never done a traditional strongman contest so that can't be counted as a factor. Although I've spoken to people who have trained with him who say that he can dominate any farmers walk, yoke, etc...

I wish he would retire from wrestling and start competing. Or better yet, Mac get his knee healthy and go pro... We need some color in this sport man!!!

[Dan Harrison]

I wish he would retire from wrestling and start competing. Or better yet, Mac get his knee healthy and go pro... We need some color in this sport man!!!

What, white isn't a color anymore?

[Chris Lee]

What, white isn't a color anymore?

technically, no, it's the absense of color. haha, just busting your balls dan

[Kevin McNease]

actually.... white is not a color at all, but rather the presence of all the frequencies of visible light.

just more ball busting.

Kevin

[Garrick Daft]

Mark Henry is the strongest man... he said he will prove it, we just have to wait.

[DaneGarreau]

When he competes and wins, he will be the strongest. Until then, it will just be a "what if" situation.

[Ben Booker]

Potental is nothing. That is why the have WSM. You gotta prove it. Mark is obviously powerful, but WSM wasn't his goal (or he would have done it till he won it or died try'n) and there for couldn't prove it.

And I wouldn't mind seeing a wider viriety of people competing, I think it is great for the sport.

[Mac Smith]

I wish he would retire from wrestling and start competing. Or better yet, Mac get his knee healthy and go pro... We need some color in this sport man!!!


Jess,

I'm workin on it Brotha!!!!

[Matt Nickerson]

technically, no, it's the absense of color. haha, just busting your balls dan

Actually, the color black is the absence of color.

Tripple ball bust. :M:

[Brandon Campbell]

Im so white im see through! so maybe im the absence of color hahahaha :LOL: i think im goin be the strongest man in the world brad! give it time we went over this many times :LOL:

[Chris Lee]

Actually, the color black is the absence of color.

oh snap! i just got denied!

[Tony Christopher]

I hear people all over the strength community touting Mark Henry as the strongest man ever ... I just don't get it.

He's certainly strong, and has (had?) a lot of potential, but there isn't any basis for arguing that he's even in the top 10 historically.

He doesn't hold any powerlifting records. In his best lift, the deadlift, he pulled just over 900 ... which, while huge, has been beaten by a number of people. His squat was also excellent but his bench was only average for a super heavy.

He never won a medal, or even placed top 5 in Olympic lifting. There are Russian 105s that have put up bigger numbers than Mark as a SHW ... and Shane Hamman has eclipsed Henry's American records.

In strongman, he competed once ... at the Arnold's ... and won. This was certainly impressive, but how can anyone seriously argue that 1 competition makes you the strongest ever? In any comp with more technical events requiring the athletes to move with heavy weights, Henry would have had his a$$ handed to him.

Has he closed a #4 CoC? Has he put up 300 pounds on the Rolling Thunder? Bent a Red Nail?

I can't blame Mark for choosing the $$$ of wrestling over strength athletics, but there is no basis for claiming he's the strongest guy ever.

[Joshua Davis]

I can't blame Mark for choosing the $$$ of wrestling over strength athletics, but there is no basis for claiming he's the strongest guy ever.
Frankly, I think that's where his claim comes from - that's his calling card. I don't think it is steeped in any real truth.

[davebeers]

i think he might hold the crown as the man with the most untapped potential

[Eric Johnson]

Just to keep the off topic thread going, I think some of you have confused the definitions of color and light. Color as in on paper, computer screen, paint, etc. white is the absence of color and black is equal parts Red Green and Blue. with Light colors, White is the presense of all visible colors of light and black is obviously the absence of any visible colors of light.

[Paul Savage]

personally i think mark henry was at one point stronger than anybody has ever been, however i would doubt right now hes the strongest man in the world

though with a few years (maybe even months) of hard training / no more wrestling, he would probably be the strongest man in the world again

i emailed him to ask what hes doing when his 10 year wwe contract finishes this year - ive got no response

[Barry Perkins]

well..I think I am probably the strongest man ever!!..... I will prove it to you ALL....soon...
real soon...in a minute...you just wait...I'm gonna show you guys!
well..actually, I could've been the strongest man ever...I really could've...
as the saying goes.."if's and but's......"

Mark Henry has done nothing.......he won ONE ARNOLD contest....

there are dozens more that are stronger than Mark Henry....

[Josh Thigpen]

A few years back when Mark was at his strongest Ironman magazine did an article on Mark Henry. It stated that his combined powerlifting and weightlifting totals were the biggest combined total ever. Making him the strongest man of all time. Well i don't know about that, I think Kaz was the strongest ever, but the fact that he then also won the arnold against strongman competitors who have competed forever in strongman, helps make his case. I dont know if Shane Hamman came along and broke his combined total but i also don't care, because remember that marks squats 950-1000 pounds were done in only knee wraps and a belt. AT 22 he pulled 903 with no deadlift suit. He benched mid 5's without a shirt and without even ever training bench because it hindered his olympic training. I am partial to the guy though because he is from Texas! However as much as it pains me I have to agree with Dave Beers on this one, he had the most untapped potential of all time.

[Paul Savage]

well..I think I am probably the strongest man ever!!..... I will prove it to you ALL....soon...
real soon...in a minute...you just wait...I'm gonna show you guys!
well..actually, I could've been the strongest man ever...I really could've...
as the saying goes.."if's and but's......"

Mark Henry has done nothing.......he won ONE ARNOLD contest....

there are dozens more that are stronger than Mark Henry....
you just said hes done nothing, an then said he won the arnold - saying winning the arnold is nothing is disrespectful to everybody whos won it imo - i plan to compete in the arnold one day, it might take me a decade of hardcore training an eating to get to a point where i can win something like that - if i were to win it, you can be sure i wont thank somebody for saying 'you've done nothing...all you did is win the arnold'

henry also had the powerlifting + olympic lifting combined total record at one point - may still be second best??

hes one of very few men to deadlift 900+ and one of even less men to squat 1000lbs with just a belt

also i dont think anybody has handled the inch like he has

[Garrick Daft]

Mark Henry saying he will be back....and yes please quit saying Mark Henry has done nothing! He's really strong and he is a very nice guy.

BTW that is Steve Kirit he walks by when he walks away.

[Paul Savage]

Mark Henry saying he will be back....and yes please quit saying Mark Henry has done nothing! He's really strong and he is a very nice guy.

BTW that is Steve Kirit he walks by when he walks away.
didn't seem like he said he would be back in strongman - did say he was always gonna be in wrestling though

that dont sound good - i heard that he was planing to finish with wrestling after his 10 year contract, but since hes been pushed to being a big main event player recently that has changed :(

[Garrick Daft]

He said everyone will get to see him again when he heals up....be an optimist Savage. :)

He will be back and he will hand Z his walking papers!

[Paul Savage]

He said everyone will get to see him again when he heals up....be an optimist Savage. :)

He will be back and he will hand Z his walking papers!
he was meaning wrestling - he was injured at that time and has since came back

id love it to happen but i dont know - we need in interview with him

[Garrick Daft]

I didn't hear it that way...but you have a point...I choose to look at the brighter side though. My thinking is that the WWE will get involved somehow and turn the whole Mark Henry is the strongest thing into a fiasco at the Arnold some year. It will be a combined WWE and Arnold Strongman contest...complete with smack talking and all!!!

E-mail Mark Henry and tell him that...and tell him that Vince McMahon should make that his next story line....get the Z involved with the WWE!!!

If you build it..they will come!

[davebeers]

However as much as it pains me I have to agree with Dave Beers on this one, he had the most untapped potential of all time.
lol...... :marv:

[Mac Smith]

For those who say the man has done nothing... you dead wrong. The man pulled 903... very few have bested that. He also squatted over 9. He won the inagural Arnold by a landslide, and his combined total (PL and OL) was greater than that of any athlete. Finally he was the first teen to total over 2K in powerlifting. He may not be the strongest ever, but like previously stated, he had the most potential. But as my coach in college always stated, 'Performance over Potential' !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JohnCarlsson]

For those who say the man has done nothing... you dead wrong. The man pulled 903... very few have bested that. He also squatted over 9. He won the inagural Arnold by a landslide, and his combined total (PL and OL) was greater than that of any athlete. Finally he was the first teen to total over 2K in powerlifting. He may not be the strongest ever, but like previously stated, he had the most potential. But as my coach in college always stated, 'Performance over Potential' !!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mark Henry went deep with 953 IN BELT AND KNEE WRAPS ONLY!, benched 570ish??? without a shirt, and then pulled 903.... Dude is a monster.

[Barry Perkins]

wow..I knew that would get some reaction...LOL...

and yes...I had no idea mark henry did those things.....and figured someone would tell me what he has done....

sounds to me...it definitely is a good question...whether or not he is the strongest ever..doing those lifts "semi raw".. that is very impressive...

so..no disrespect meant...I just figured I'd throw a little gasoline on the fire... :BB:

[Pete Berg]

I keep hearing the word potential when talking about Mark Henry. Thats just another term for wasted talent. He is strong and powerful but if he don't try then is a waste unlike Paul Anderson who was not given the chance because the Olympic committee said that his fund raising made him a pro and not permitted to compete. But he went on and did some crazy unoffical lifts like the silver dollar squat which weighed 1160 without gear and that was done 3 time a day for 2 weeks, also on many strengh shows he would squat 900 in street clothes and without warm ups. That don't include one arm presses of 300+ lbs. for reps or the back lift of 6270. Potential does not follow Paul Anderson's name like it does Mark Henry.

[Dan Harrison]

Just to keep the off topic thread going, I think some of you have confused the definitions of color and light. Color as in on paper, computer screen, paint, etc. white is the absence of color and black is equal parts Red Green and Blue. with Light colors, White is the presense of all visible colors of light and black is obviously the absence of any visible colors of light.

And that there is the glorious end of the color debate. Victory goes to the engineer.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Potential is a french word meaning you haven't done S$#%- anonymous

[Chris McNatt]

And that there is the glorious end of the color debate. Victory goes to the engineer.



the primary colors are red yellow blue, red yellow blue, red yellowww, blueeee

not red green blue!!!!

White is a perfect ratio of red yellow blue reflection, while black is a perfection ratio absorption of the primary colors..

I do not see how someone can say that someone is the strongest man in the world based on their numbers plus potential. For all we know there are natural strength freaks hidden away in some farming country in the middle of nowhere who could careless about weight lifting, however, given the chance he would dominate. Or if you want to bring in potential, what about the 105kg guys that are doing amazing amounts of weight (like those chinese guys doing 660lbs front squats raw) What if they gained 30kgs and switched their routine from olympic lifting to strength athletics like strongman, or powerlifting? Potential always leads to What If's ... and last I checked What if's arent that solid for debates.

hopefully this makes sense and accurately portrays my opinion.. because i have no time to edit, haha

[Matt Meinrod]

I putting Mark as the strongest of all time for one reason: because I feel like it :)

But seriously, we've seen some great Powerlifters (Ed Coan), we've seen some great Olympic Lifters (Hammon), we've seen some great strongmen (Z, Pudz, Kaz), but the point is can any of them dominate in all 3 disciplines? Mark henry can. The only reason we're having this discussion is because Mark doesn't give a damn about being the best of all time. Obviously, hes worried about financial security for his kids, grandkids, and great grand kids, etc...nobody can blame him for that.

Without question there will never be a real answer here unless Mark comes back to strength athletics and unleashes hell. If or when that happens time will tell.

[Pete Berg]

but the point is can any of them dominate in all 3 disciplines?
Kaz was one of the best powerlifters of his time. Champion strongman, pro wrestler and set hundreds of world records. The powerlifting cut short do to a pec tear, so I would say he could dominate.

Paul Anderson Oly gold medalist they did 3 lifts not 2, they did not have powerlifting back then but he had benched over 600 raw, squated 1160 with belt only so I would say he could doninate in powerlifting, He also holds records that no one has come close to today. He was also a pro wrestler and boxer.

Ken Patera finnished 3rd in the world strongman contest. Was a dominate Oly lifter 1st american to press 500 and did 550 in training, again powerlifting was in it's start up toward the end of his career and I think his injury to his ankle was what ended his career not sure on that, but with his numbers he could of easly dominated in powerlifting, He also was a pro wrestler.

So yes there was and will be some who could dominate, there are just a few who try.

I know you can't fairly compare a past lifter to a new lifter because time change and so does equipment and training but on the hand if there not willing to break old records under simular conditions you can't say they are the greatest of all times.

[Brandon Campbell]

I know mark henry is quite possibly the sweatest man ever :LOL: :LOL:

[Pete Berg]

I can't for get Bruce Wilhelm First american to snatch 400+, First World Strongman winner, was a dominate free style and greco roman wrestler, champion shot putter,and was a top level Oly lifter as well. I could go on with more about Bruce and others that are great lifters and not potentialy great but I think I made my point.

[Tony Christopher]

With all due respect Matt ... are you serious?

Coan was largely a powerlifting specialist, I'll give you that ... but beyond that:

Shane Hamman squatted 1008 pounds and outlifted Mark on the Olympic lifts.

Z has put a 210 Kg LOG over his head ... almost as much as Mark C & Jerked.

Kaz totalled over 2400 in powerlifting, was a 3 time world's strongest man and pressed over 400 pounds over his head as well. Sure he couldn't do a technical lift like the snatch nearly as well as Mark but that's only because he NEVER trained for it.

Mark would dominate the static strength events in strongman, no doubt ... beyond that he'd lose, just like guys like Glenn Ross lose.

He'd also lose to Kaz, Savickas and Coan (with Coan weighing about 1/2 of what Mark does) in a powerlifting contest.

Again ... he's a very strong man who had (and may have squandered) a ton of potential ... but far, FAR from the strongest ever.

My 2 cents anyway ...

I putting Mark as the strongest of all time for one reason: because I feel like it :)

But seriously, we've seen some great Powerlifters (Ed Coan), we've seen some great Olympic Lifters (Hammon), we've seen some great strongmen (Z, Pudz, Kaz), but the point is can any of them dominate in all 3 disciplines? Mark henry can. The only reason we're having this discussion is because Mark doesn't give a damn about being the best of all time. Obviously, hes worried about financial security for his kids, grandkids, and great grand kids, etc...nobody can blame him for that.

Without question there will never be a real answer here unless Mark comes back to strength athletics and unleashes hell. If or when that happens time will tell.

[Steve Slater]

I vote Mark Henry
sq.986 raw in comp.out of comp 1006 raw,
bench 585 raw,
dead in comp.903 raw 935 out of comp.raw.
2002 arnold classic raw 4 mo. training!!! All this done before 33 years old.
In grip - He does dumbbell rows with the Thomas Inch for reps and he was the first to clean and press it with no body support touch. Also he is a good guy with a big heart!

[Paul Savage]

I vote Mark Henry
sq.986 raw in comp.out of comp 1006 raw,
bench 585 raw,
dead in comp.903 raw 935 out of comp.raw.
2002 arnold classic raw 4 mo. training!!! All this done before 33 years old.
In grip - He does dumbbell rows with the Thomas Inch for reps and he was the first to clean and press it with no body support touch. Also he is a good guy with a big heart!
how do you know all this?

[Matt Meinrod]

With all due respect Matt ... are you serious?

Coan was largely a powerlifting specialist, I'll give you that ... but beyond that:

Shane Hamman squatted 1008 pounds and outlifted Mark on the Olympic lifts.

Z has put a 210 Kg LOG over his head ... almost as much as Mark C & Jerked.

Kaz totalled over 2400 in powerlifting, was a 3 time world's strongest man and pressed over 400 pounds over his head as well. Sure he couldn't do a technical lift like the snatch nearly as well as Mark but that's only because he NEVER trained for it.

Mark would dominate the static strength events in strongman, no doubt ... beyond that he'd lose, just like guys like Glenn Ross lose.

He'd also lose to Kaz, Savickas and Coan (with Coan weighing about 1/2 of what Mark does) in a powerlifting contest.

Again ... he's a very strong man who had (and may have squandered) a ton of potential ... but far, FAR from the strongest ever.

My 2 cents anyway ...

I hear what you're saying and I guess I forgot to mention a key point in m side of the debate. Henry accomplished greatness at a very young age. Because he missed (currently missing) his Prime in powerlifting/strongman/OLY lifting, etc...it's hard to say that those guys are better. I'm going out a limb and saying had mark stayed with the sport 110% he would have been the greatest of all time.

And to go back on the comparisons:

MH vs. Hammon - both great OLY and powerlifters, but where is shanes strongman background? besides shane is like 5'9'' he'd struggle in many events due to height.

MH vs. Kaz - IMO the only guy with a shot to challenge Henry. And like you said he never gave full attention to olympic lifts therefore canceling him out.


To close my thought I guess what i'm trying to say is Mark Henry wasn't the best Powerlifter of all time, he wasn't the best Olympic Lifter of all time, and he wasn't the best Strongman of all time, but when you combine the three he was/is the best all around strength athlete in our lifetimes. And off topic, but had he been pointed in the right direction I'm sure he could have been a great football player as well.

[Eric Johnson]

the primary colors are red yellow blue, red yellow blue, red yellowww, blueeee

not red green blue!!!!

White is a perfect ratio of red yellow blue reflection, while black is a perfection ratio absorption of the primary colors..

OK I to remember middle school art class where we were told the prime colors are red yellow and blue, but I have since grown up and learned a little more. The 3 primary colors, that is that are pure and contain no other hues, and those are Red Green and Blue. I know some people will include yellow and call it the 4 primary colors. But being a geek I live in the world of computers and monitors all use RGB to define the colors of their pixels, etc.

Also, I beleive that something is white when it reflects all 7 visible colors of light (ROYGBIV) not just 3, although it maybe off-white at that point.

Thanks this has been fun :).

[Mac Smith]

OK I to remember middle school art class where we were told the prime colors are red yellow and blue, but I have since grown up and learned a little more. The 3 primary colors, that is that are pure and contain no other hues, and those are Red Green and Blue. I know some people will include yellow and call it the 4 primary colors. But being a geek I live in the world of computers and monitors all use RGB to define the colors of their pixels, etc.

Also, I beleive that something is white when it reflects all 7 visible colors of light (ROYGBIV) not just 3, although it maybe off-white at that point.

Thanks this has been fun :).


huh?....

Some people are way too intelligent!!! :F:

[ClayEdgin]

Has he closed a #4 CoC? Has he put up 300 pounds on the Rolling Thunder? Bent a Red Nail?


Ask Terry Todd about his grip potential. I've spoken with a big name in the grip game (whose name I won't reveal in case he doesn't want it known) who said that in talking with Dr. Todd, he was told that Mark has closed the #4 and is waiting until he can close it with both hands before getting certified. The guy who told me this is as honest as the day is long and has a good reputation. Mark is also the first man to clean and jerk the Inch dumbbell, and is said to have also snatched it. That is a phenominal grip.

This is an interesting discussion, but I think we're missing a big point here. Mark Henry is being arguably compared to Kaz, Coan, Anderson, and Hamman, three of the KINGS of their respective sports. Mark Henry has been a world class athlete in all THREE sports, whereas the others have only been world class in one, maybe two, of the three disciplines (PL, strongman, OL). Mark has been one of the best O-lifters, one of the best powerlifters, and won a top level strongman competition and held records in all three. Who else can say that? Paul Anderson can't, Kaz can't, Coan can't, and Shane Hamman can't.

As for "wasted potential" that's a load of bull. When you can train in any strength discipline and not just be dominant, but world class, then that is anything but wasted potential. I bet he makes more in one year with the WWE than he did in all prior years of strength athletics. I bet he still lifts.

I seem passionate about this because Mark Henry is my idol when it comes to strength athletics. He is who I aspire to be - someone who is a world class strength athlete in several disciplines. Is he THE strongest man in the world? That can be debated. But to prove it he'd have to go up against the absolute best in their respective strength sports. He is, in my opinion, the strongest all around athlete in the world.

[Mac Smith]

Well said Clay!!! Henry is my idol as well!!! He gets alot of undeserved grief because he didn't supposedly live up to the potential other's have heaped on him. But in the meantime he's making big money in the WWE.

[Jamie T]

I have a friend who is a bit of a wrestling insider that told me he is pretty sure that mark's deal with WWE was somewhere in the 5-6 million dollar range over 10 years , so at 500-600 k annually I would venture to say that not only is he one of the worlds strongest men, he is one of the highest paid strongmen in the world too.

I think that the most important poll question to ask of mark henry would be more on his situation

"given the choice, whould you rather make 500K an year for 10 years from age 25-35 and then try to win WSM at age 35 plus ( which I can't recall if it has been done - capes maybe?) or have given it a full out effort at age 25 and likely have won a title ??"

I know my choice..

Jamie

[DaneGarreau]

Clay,

Kaz has held records in 3 strength sports(highland games, Strongman, and Powerlifting). So Mark Henry isn't the only one.

I don't think anyone is saying that Mark couldn't possibly be the strongest man, but until he proves it against the best it will all be speculation.

[Paul Savage]

Ask Terry Todd about his grip potential. I've spoken with a big name in the grip game (whose name I won't reveal in case he doesn't want it known) who said that in talking with Dr. Todd, he was told that Mark has closed the #4 and is waiting until he can close it with both hands before getting certified. The guy who told me this is as honest as the day is long and has a good reputation. Mark is also the first man to clean and jerk the Inch dumbbell, and is said to have also snatched it. That is a phenominal grip.

This is an interesting discussion, but I think we're missing a big point here. Mark Henry is being arguably compared to Kaz, Coan, Anderson, and Hamman, three of the KINGS of their respective sports. Mark Henry has been a world class athlete in all THREE sports, whereas the others have only been world class in one, maybe two, of the three disciplines (PL, strongman, OL). Mark has been one of the best O-lifters, one of the best powerlifters, and won a top level strongman competition and held records in all three. Who else can say that? Paul Anderson can't, Kaz can't, Coan can't, and Shane Hamman can't.

As for "wasted potential" that's a load of bull. When you can train in any strength discipline and not just be dominant, but world class, then that is anything but wasted potential. I bet he makes more in one year with the WWE than he did in all prior years of strength athletics. I bet he still lifts.

I seem passionate about this because Mark Henry is my idol when it comes to strength athletics. He is who I aspire to be - someone who is a world class strength athlete in several disciplines. Is he THE strongest man in the world? That can be debated. But to prove it he'd have to go up against the absolute best in their respective strength sports. He is, in my opinion, the strongest all around athlete in the world.
very well said an hes a big idol of mine too - he most certainly does still lift - hes back up over 400lbs now, theres clips of him in training being shown on wwe right now

#4 with both hands would be very impressive, has a #4 ever been ccs closed before this with any hand?? im very confident ill ccs #4 with my right within the next couple of years, but left hand is real tough, its been weaker since i started training an grippers take extra force to close properly with left hands as there made for the right hand

id love to know henrys training routines an all his lifts / feats - we need to get an interview! somebody contact this man!...please

[D.Norris]

3-4 people have closed the coc 4 I actually know the second man to close it and he does it fairly easy!

And Paul the grippers are not made for your right hand - and try not to get to ahead of yourself :LOL:

[Pete Berg]

If all it takes to be the best strength athlete is to be the best in 3 or 4 different styles then that would make Shannon Hartnett the best strenght athlete ever based on her being tops in bob sledding World cup champ from 2000 to 2002, womens pro football, World strongest woman(5th),Oly lifting, Highland games 12x U.S Champ, 10 x World Champ and now she said she wants to take on powerlifting.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

If all it takes to be the best strength athlete is to be the best in 3 or 4 different styles then that would make Shannon Hartnett the best strenght athlete ever based on her being tops in bob sledding World cup champ from 2000 to 2002, womens pro football, World strongest woman(5th),Oly lifting, Highland games 12x U.S Champ, 10 x World Champ and now she said she wants to take on powerlifting.


Not to sound like a dick, but she's going to powerlifting cause she's banned from HG and Oly lifting. Stanazol was the reason.

[Pete Berg]

I wondered why she was looking into something different. She has amazing strength even if she had some help.

[Matt Meinrod]

Not to change the subject, but Jill Mills in my opinion is the best all around female strength athlete in the world.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

I wondered why she was looking into something different. She has amazing strength even if she had some help.


Her strength and explosiveness weren't bad at all, but there are others alot stronger, with better oly numbers etc. The HG stuff is what she did really well at.

Jill Mills is the bomb. Nuff said

[Pete Berg]

Jill Mills is the bomb. Nuff said

Agreed :YT:

[Garrick Daft]

Wrong...Heini Koivuniemi is the bomb!

[Scott Porter]

Not to change the subject, but Jill Mills in my opinion is the best all around kinda female strength athlete in the world.

Yes I agree.

Note the change in the above statement. ;)

[Kevin Cronin]

Not to sound like a dick, but she's going to powerlifting cause she's banned from HG and Oly lifting. Stanazol was the reason.

I'm sure this will sound naive, but that absolutely SHOCKS me. This probably isn't pc, but shannon never had that masculinized "look" at least not in the handful of pics of her I've seen. I know winstrol's supposed to be a cutting drug, is that why she doesnt look masculine?

[Paul Savage]

3-4 people have closed the coc 4 I actually know the second man to close it and he does it fairly easy!

And Paul the grippers are not made for your right hand - and try not to get to ahead of yourself :LOL:
if they are not made for right hands then why do they always go off to the side with the left hand? - this was talked about on the gripboard an i thought it was a fact?

i know people have closed it but i thought they were all certed with an mms set, an nobody has been certed since the new rule

i have to think to the future but im a couple of mm off the #3 ccs after 5 months, as well as pinching two 45's, tearing tennis balls, exploding apples etc if i was just sitting on my backside all day long an not getting anything done i wouldn't have the confidence, its there for a reason

did you not know you would eventually press heavy log weights before you actually did so?

[Eric Jett]

Jill Mills is the bomb. Nuff said


Old topic, but...

I disagree. Becca Swanson. Anytime she enters a strongwoman contest, she wins.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Old topic, but...

I disagree. Becca Swanson. Anytime she enters a strongwoman contest, she wins.

I think this point needs to be illustrated with pictures. For the record, Heini is the bomb too.(Garrick is right, always)

Will have to come back to this soon.

[Scott Porter]

Old topic, but...

I disagree. Becca Swanson. Anytime she enters a strongwoman contest, she wins.

You are wrong, yet again Jett.

Becca got crushed at the Cali Pro/AM in 2004. Do your homework. Jill Mills and many others beat her.

[Adam Keep]

You are wrong, yet again Jett.

Becca got crushed at the Cali Pro/AM in 2004. Do your homework. Jill Mills and many others beat her.

Word to that! She is big and strong, but horribly immobile. That happens to a lot of powerlifters though. It just takes time.

[Tony Christopher]

I believe Becca injured herself midway through that contest as well.

But even minus the injury I agree, she will dominate the static strength events, but get crushed on the mobility events, unless she dedicates herself to strongwoman training.

Sorta a female Glenn Ross ... minus about 200 pounds. ;-)

[Andreas Møller]

We need some color in this sport man!!!

Well, the important thing is to have competitions comprised of the strongest people regardless of their color. I mean, would anyone want a slow white man to compete in the 100 meter sprint in the olympics just because the field is "too black"?

Mark Henry is definitely strong enough, that`s why he`s an addition to the sport, not because of his skin color.

As for the actual debate:
Seeing how he`s never won the WSM and never been powerlifting world champion there`s no way he`s the strongest ever.
Paul Anderson, Brian Siders and Kazmaier were the strongest. As for pure strength strongmen I`ll say Glenn Ross and Savickas.

[Adam Keep]

Well, the important thing is to have competitions comprised of the strongest people regardless of their color. I mean, would anyone want a slow white man to compete in the 100 meter sprint in the olympics just because the field is "too black"?

Mark Henry is definitely strong enough, that`s why he`s an addition to the sport, not because of his skin color.




It was a joke dude.

[Eric Jett]

Fine, should I have said jusat about every contest?

Because of all the contests I have heard her entering, she has won.

[Andreas Møller]

It was a joke dude.

.....a lot of these so-called "anti-racists" (at least here in Norway) are dead serious when they make comments like that. I heard somewhere that some anti-racist org. in the USA was actually launching some sort of program to get actively recruit more black athletes to so-called "white sports". Can`t remember where I read it though.

[Jonathan Macfarlane]

Hopefully these pics are kosher...

This is why Jill and Heini are the bomb: WSW winners and they look like this

http://www.andysmusclewomen.net/Jill/Pics/Jill0004.jpg

http://www.realdutchpower.nl/uitslagen2005/europestrongestwoman/2005_1211_175645aa.jpg

[chrisklavette]

I wish he would retire from wrestling and start competing. Or better yet, Mac get his knee healthy and go pro... We need some color in this sport man!!!
There are still not enough short half Koreans in this sport. The NFL already has two. I think it is time I grow a half a foot and go pro. Gotta represent.

BTW Where is the lawsuit against the NBA for discrimination against slow fat white guys?

Does anyone else think Mark Henry is done wrestling? He hasn't been around for almost a year due to yet ANOTHER injury. Maybe he will come back to strength athletics.

[Matt Wiggins]

I read or heard somewhere along the line that when Henry won the Arnold strongman comp (wasn't it the 1st one held at the Arnold Expo?), he was supposedly given advance knowledge of what the events were going to be so that he could train for them. None of the rest of the competitors were told what the events were to be so that they couldn't specifically train for them.

Anything to that?

[Paul F.X. Armstrong]

I read or heard somewhere along the line that when Henry won the Arnold strongman comp (wasn't it the 1st one held at the Arnold Expo?), he was supposedly given advance knowledge of what the events were going to be so that he could train for them. None of the rest of the competitors were told what the events were to be so that they couldn't specifically train for them.

Anything to that?

That was the rumor.
Terry Todd,Henry's friend/mentor was ,reportedly,involved in selecting the events.
I don't know if the other "Pro strongmen" had ever even seen the implements.
As I remember Phil wasn't even sure what all the events were going to be?

Also,for what it is worth The Arnold Strongman was held Feb.22,23, 2002.
Svend who was 2nd place and Phil Pfister who was 3rd place-- at the Arnold Classic Strongman-- had just done a very tough North East Strongman contest(two day contest Feb,16,17)the week before.
The North East Strongman contest was a Ball breaker.
Mark Henry defeated a "beat up" Svend Karlsen by 2.5 point and Phil by 3.5 points.

Phil and Svend had 6? or 7? days to recover from a full blown two day contest.
It is possible,IMHO, that they were not 100%.

Considering all that I don't think Henry's performance was that overwhelming ...and Pfister of 2002 (even if he was 100% recovered)had a fraction of the brute strength as Pfister 0f 2006.
That being said Mark Henry is a VERY powerful man and he won the 2002,Arnold Classic Strongman contest.
Scroll down for full ,Arnold Classic Strongman contest results (www.arnoldsstrongestman.com/2002%20Results.htm)

BTW,neither Phil or Svend won the 2002 NE Strongman show...Karl Gillingham did. :cool:
Svend 2nd
Phil 3rd
I believe..jesse marunde was 4th.

I'd have to Say Savickas is the strongest man on earth.
Official powerlifting total of 2401(937 sq,627 bench,881 deadlift)
Overhead log of 446,
341 AXLE for 8 reps
world record Arnold Classic deadlift(defeating benni Magnusson)
865lb Arnold frame carrry record of 7.9 seconds( 2 seconds faster than what Mark Henry did ---and Henry used the lighter 815lb frame)

[chrisklavette]

I still agree with the previous post of Ed Coan being the strongest man to date. If we are talking just brute strength.