Partial ROM

[Kevin Klavetter]

I know this has been covered before but I have to get this off my chest. I was lifting at the employee gym this noon instead of waiting until tonight at home in the old garage gym, because lets face it, if you can lift on company time why not. Anyway I am going back to the garage. Not one person did a few ROM on the bench today (because Monday is international bench day). They weren't even doing half range. I knew a couple of these guys and I even said that "the bar won't hurt if it touches your chest", half joking. They got all righteous how if you go any lower you will injury your shoulders and all. I just had to walk away. Some ignorance is incurable. They couldn't even unrack the weight themselves, but they thought they were benching 315....ya right. :disgust: After bogarting the bench they had to go right to the curl bar of course. God forbid they would do overheads or rows. I couldn't resist so I made another smart ass comment like "Mike, your arms are already bigger than your thighs". I just couldn't resist.
Sorry for the rant but I needed to vent to people who would understand.

[Jim Glover]

Dude I don't mind you hacking on my buddies but you could have at least given me credit for deadlift/upright rowing 315.

The only reason I work out with these guys is to work my upper back.

:T:

[Jared Enderton]

I hear ya... you feel weird watching ppl you don't know do that... well not weird, but you feel like laughing... Imagine me having to watch my Head Football Coach do that.... :M: ..haha.. bench, curls, abs... haha...

[Brian Brouwer]

I know what you mean, and when (and if) you can get them to bench full rom, they are usually quickly humbled. Thats why I like deadlifts, you either lift it or don't.

[Kevin Klavetter]

I know what you mean, and when (and if) you can get them to bench full rom, they are usually quickly humbled. Thats why I like deadlifts, you either lift it or don't.
Very true, but then again these guys won't do deads because it's "bad for your back". Like squats are bad for your needs and full ROM are bad for your shoulders. I just wish they would stick to the treadmills and leave the heavy stuff to those a that aren't afraid.

[Matt Brouse]

Chances are they are lowering the bar two or four inches too close to their throat anyway with a 90 degree abduction angle at the shoulder...if they don't drop it on their neck, they will continue this way for years and hurt their shoulders...kind of a lose-lose for the un/mis-informed. You should help them out...

[Kevin Klavetter]

I don't know. I tried to open the subject with my half hearted joke about the bar not hurting if it touches your chest (remember I know these guys from work) and they then got all defensive about injuring your shoulders and all. Unless someone asks for advice I usually keep to myself as unsolicited advice normally isn't to well accepted. If they were young kids it might be one thing. But these are generally well educated adults. Hell I work in a major world famous medical facility, you might guess which one by my location, so it isn't like they don't have access to information. Guys go ask someone in Physical medicine or Sports med. Plus I have seen the Health club "trainers" doing the same crap.

Kind of like the alcoholic saying...the first step is realizing and admitting you have a problem. Until then most people don't want to listen.

[Matt Brouse]

I don't know. I tried to open the subject with my half hearted joke about the bar not hurting if it touches your chest (remember I know these guys from work) and they then got all defensive about injuring your shoulders and all. Unless someone asks for advice I usually keep to myself as unsolicited advice normally isn't to well accepted. If they were young kids it might be one thing. But these are generally well educated adults. Hell I work in a major world famous medical facility, you might guess which one by my location, so it isn't like they don't have access to information. Guys go ask someone in Physical medicine or Sports med. Plus I have seen the Health club "trainers" doing the same crap.

Kind of like the alcoholic saying...the first step is realizing and admitting you have a problem. Until then most people don't want to listen.
You work there, eh? I should get a job down there when I graduate and straighten things out... :M:

[Kevin Klavetter]

What are you studying?

[Matt Brouse]

I am a double major; Exercise Science, Community Health, Coaching minor. I am also a certified personal trainer via the NSCA.

[Kevin Klavetter]

I am a double major; Exercise Science, Community Health, Coaching minor. I am also a certified personal trainer via the NSCA.
Seriously Matt get your butt down here. We are building a new three story employees Healthy Living Center that covers an entire city block. Two pools, several thousand feet of free weight training area, 200 pieces of cardio equipment, the usual weight machines. It is going to one of the premier facilities in the country. It is scheduled to open next fall (maybe next summer if they stay ahead of schedule).They are going forward soon for the approval on addition staffing for the new facilities. I am in charge of designing and overseeing the Audiovisual equipment in this new facility. The geeky stuff like sound systems, video displays and such so I have been working this project for a while. If you want to PM me we can talk more. With those type of creditials you would be a great fit.

[jon hergert]

One of the primary reasons i don't go to a commercial gym is it really bothers me to watch all of these folks trying so hard with these stupid exercises, you know what their goals are and you know they ain't ever going to get there with the route they are taking but you can't say anything because they are all experts. Had enough 185 lb experts come up to me and ask questions about my workout and then give reasons why it would never work for them to know you can't change anyones mind, they have to figure it out the hard way.

At the gym i went to for several months during a transitional period, i NEVER saw a full range parallel squat, on the warm ups, some guys were pretty close, but as the weight went up, so did their ass.

First couple of weeks when i was there and would squat atg, virtually everyone in a 20 m range of the rack would stop to watch. I am certainly not big and not that strong but i was hearing whispered comments like " my god, look at how deep he is going with that much weight!". Seeing as how most of these guys were 15-20 years younger than me, a good portion of them would be able to duplicate what I was doing in a couple of years if they just put their mind to it, doubt any of them ever will. :BB:

[Kevin Klavetter]

OK I have to bump this thread again. I know I said I was going to quite going to the employee gym and return to the my basement after the watching all the partial range movements. But yesterday I had to go on my lunch hours so after work I could partake in the free buffet for veterans offered by Golden Corral Buffet (big thanks to CCB for that every year). Anyway I was in the power cage doing squats when a guy comes up and asks if I am using the cage, DUH. I tell him I have a few more sets of squats but he is more than welcome to work in. Now here is the good part....he says he will wait as he wants the cage and bar to do CURLS. Well that is just wrong, so I took my sweet time and even added an extra set just to make him wait. :M:
I have taken a better attitude about this though and just consider all this free entertainment, like the monkey cage at the zoo. :LOL:

[Adam Keep]

Nice man! I hate seeing a squat rack used for curls. Why don't they just pick it up off of the floor?

[Eric Johnson]

Nice man! I hate seeing a squat rack used for curls. Why don't they just pick it up off of the floor?

Ummm because that would be a deadlift and deadlifts are dangerous, duh! :BB:

[Kevin Klavetter]

Eric funny you should say that because the guy who was using the cage just before me was doing dead lifts, which is cool. He was having some trouble with the bar wanting to roll out of his hands so I asked him if ever used a mixed grip. He said he didn't because he heard it will hurt your shoulder. I simply said "that's bullshit, don't believe all that crap" (in a nice tone) and proceed set the rack for squats. He just look kind of dumb founded and walked away. I hope he starts to question and rethink some of that crap.

[Sean Lezgus]

OK I have to bump this thread again. I know I said I was going to quite going to the employee gym and return to the my basement after the watching all the partial range movements. But yesterday I had to go on my lunch hours so after work I could partake in the free buffet for veterans offered by Golden Corral Buffet (big thanks to CCB for that every year). Anyway I was in the power cage doing squats when a guy comes up and asks if I am using the cage, DUH. I tell him I have a few more sets of squats but he is more than welcome to work in. Now here is the good part....he says he will wait as he wants the cage and bar to do CURLS. Well that is just wrong, so I took my sweet time and even added an extra set just to make him wait. :M:
I have taken a better attitude about this though and just consider all this free entertainment, like the monkey cage at the zoo. :LOL:


i had that exact experience on a power rack a few weeks ago. After squats i proceeded right into standing militaries without caring about what he thought :EP:

[Kevin Klavetter]

Perfect.....lets all band together to eliminate this power rack abuse. :M:

[Glenn King]

I am a double major; Exercise Science, Community Health, Coaching minor. I am also a certified personal trainer via the NSCA.
Tell me more about this NSCA I have never heard of it . I am looking into certification and curios thanks .

[Eric Johnson]

Eric funny you should say that because the guy who was using the cage just before me was doing dead lifts, which is cool. He was having some trouble with the bar wanting to roll out of his hands so I asked him if ever used a mixed grip. He said he didn't because he heard it will hurt your shoulder. I simply said "that's bullshit, don't believe all that crap" (in a nice tone) and proceed set the rack for squats. He just look kind of dumb founded and walked away. I hope he starts to question and rethink some of that crap.

Out of curiosity, why was he using a cage/rack for deadlifts? Was he doing lockouts? That is funny about the shoulder, I have heard bad for bicep and lower back but never shoulder. Just shows how much unverified info is out there and like everything else in life people will beleive was suits them the best without proof, and not believe anything that doesn't suite them even with lots of proof.

[Kurt Hessenbruch]

To comment on the original topic, this is an article I taped up in my gym's locker room after I heard a trainer telling multiple people to stop halfway on bench because full ROM is a good way to ruin your shoulders.

http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=19

In particular, I highlighted the following:

What are some tips for bar placement?

CP: For most individuals, when the bar makes contact with the chest, it should be to contact with the chest. Some people would disagree. Interestingly, the shoulder joint is ballistically stretched much further back for many more repetitions during sprinting than any form of barbell bench pressing. Their elbows move further back away from the torso in this running position. They rarely have problems with this movement. One of the main causes of shoulder injuries is performing partial repetitions. Not going through the full range of motion shortens the subscapularis muscle and will eventually lead to shoulder impingement syndrome. In my gym, we occasionally use the barbell bench press. We more often use dumbell bench press because the range of motion is greater and I have a very low incidence of shoulder problems.

[Kevin Klavetter]

Out of curiosity, why was he using a cage/rack for deadlifts? Was he doing lockouts? That is funny about the shoulder, I have heard bad for bicep and lower back but never shoulder. Just shows how much unverified info is out there and like everything else in life people will beleive was suits them the best without proof, and not believe anything that doesn't suite them even with lots of proof.

Right now, until they update the facility, there is limited space in the free weight area (of course) so basically all the power movements are done in the rack so as to not interfere with the bench babies. New facility is to have at least two power cages plus a dead lift station which will be sweet. I was speaking to the gym manager whos is cool (plus it is my job to maintain their sound and video system so I have an in) about the curls in the cage and he said "just tell them that not what it's for" which would be nice but since I work here I try to be cool, if you know what I mean.

[Kevin Klavetter]

To comment on the original topic, this is an article I taped up in my gym's locker room after I heard a trainer telling multiple people to stop halfway on bench because full ROM is a good way to ruin your shoulders.

http://umanitoba.fitdv.com/new/articles/article.html?artid=19

In particular, I highlighted the following:

What are some tips for bar placement?

CP: For most individuals, when the bar makes contact with the chest, it should be to contact with the chest. Some people would disagree. Interestingly, the shoulder joint is ballistically stretched much further back for many more repetitions during sprinting than any form of barbell bench pressing. Their elbows move further back away from the torso in this running position. They rarely have problems with this movement. One of the main causes of shoulder injuries is performing partial repetitions. Not going through the full range of motion shortens the subscapularis muscle and will eventually lead to shoulder impingement syndrome. In my gym, we occasionally use the barbell bench press. We more often use dumbell bench press because the range of motion is greater and I have a very low incidence of shoulder problems.

Great link...Thanks.