View Full Version : top 10 strongman of all time
Ryan Phillips
02-14-2005, 08:52 AM
saw this thread on brute strength forum and thought it would be cool to see wat u guys think.
for me i would say
1. kaz
2.mvm
3.jon pall
4.gary taylor
5.pudge
6.kiri
7.don rihnout
8.capes
9.samuelson
10.O.D wilson
Jesse Marunde
02-14-2005, 10:48 AM
I'm putting Marius at #1. Mainly because I've watched him compete and it's mind boggling. His stamina is unreal.
O.D. could be much higher too. It's all got to be based on actual contest performances rather than speculation. But... O.D. was a massive monster that moved really well. I think that it modern strongman contests he would have faired well.
Jesse
GDolan
02-15-2005, 11:10 AM
1.MVM - 4 WSM's nuff said (longer career and better PL #'s than JPS)
2.JPS - 4 WSM's again, nuff said
3.KAZ - certainly would have won 1983 had he been invited and maybe more
4.PUDZ - like Jesse said, changed the game with athleticism and conditioning
5.AHOLA - defied the "big man" theory
6.KARLSEN - clutch victory in 2001 when it was then or never
7.SAMUELSSON - consistant (longest streak of finals)
8.CAPES - well rounded athlete
9.VIRTANNEN - because he did it with skinny legs :D
10.REEVES - cut down by injuries
11.VIRASTYUK - jury is still out - tremendous potential though
12.TAYLOR - injuries as well
Jamie T
02-15-2005, 12:21 PM
Geoff
we must think alike because my top 5 is the same as yours. I might place capes in the sixth spot and then sven and magnus.. I think Gerritt Badenhorst has to make the top 10 because of his consistency and the fact that he was a world record holder PL'er..i would like to see bergmanius in there again because of the consistency.. keep virsatyuk right on the door (although 1 more performance like 2004 wsm and he moves into the top 6) and for a little home cooking i think hugo has one more run and can move into the top 10..i make the Hugo argument based on the fact that the core of strongman is OH pressing and DL's and Hugo has been the dominant OH presser in the sport for almost a decade.. thoughts :)
Karl Gillingham
02-15-2005, 01:20 PM
Mine are very similar to Geoff's.
1. MVM - Speed, Power, athletism & uncanny abilility to figure out events.
2. JPS - Ahead of his time, ultimate showman
3. Kaz - Brute Power and determination. Intensity beyond comparison.
4. Pudz - Trains harder than anyone, absolutely hates to lose.
5. Ahola - Unbelievable athlete, ushered in modern training.
6. Capes - Great athlete for a big man
7. Samuelsson - His record over time is hard to match.
8. Karlsen - Viking Power!
9. Virtanen - Ultimate technician. Got more out of his body than anyone.
10. Reeves - Brute Force, very smart.
Savikas & Vasil to be determined... Could move way up as could Mariusz.
Jamie T
02-15-2005, 01:26 PM
karl.. good point and you got me thinking.. janne was pretty good.. i think he won with relative ease in 2000.. but i think reeves was over rated.. badenhorst was better
Jesse Marunde
02-15-2005, 01:35 PM
Badenhorst is definetly the strongest man who never won.
Jesse
Ryan Rhodes
02-15-2005, 03:27 PM
Jesse- You're tripping.
The strongest ever was Israel Sanguinetti.
What a freakin' stud.
:D
Ryan Rhodes
02-15-2005, 03:42 PM
But seriously, had he not been in the accident, I think Manfred Hoeberl would have definitely been on that list.
DaneGarreau
02-15-2005, 07:26 PM
What kind of accident did Manfred have?
Rob Okey
02-15-2005, 09:17 PM
He was in a car wreck in the Bahamas I think. He tried to set up his own strongman/highland games federation (along with MVM I think) so maybe he would never have got a chance to compete in another WSM anyway.
My list would go:
1. MVM
2. Sigmarsson
3. Samuelsson
4. Pudzianowski
5. Ahola
6. Kazmaier
7. Capes
8. Karlsen
9. Virtannen
10. Badenhorst
I rate Samuelsson higher than others who normally feature higher up. I'm not really concerned with powerlifting and this is my top 10 strongmen, not top 10 strong men, there is a difference. People like MVM and Sigmarsson had the strength matched to great technique and that is what makes a strongman in my mind. I've heard people say Samuelsson isn't a real strongman because he doesn't have a big squat or deadlift...that just tells me he isn't a powerlifter. A look at his competition history confirms he's not only a real strongman but an awesome one. Oh yeah and that WSM title helps too :)
I'm also more inclined to rate more recent athletes higher as the standard of competition just keeps getting better.
LaMont Campbell
02-16-2005, 02:03 AM
I think badenhorst hands down was the best.
I also Like O.D(mainly due to the fact that he was not only hella strong, but also one of the few African-Americans to compete. That's awesome! :cool:
Jesse Marunde
02-16-2005, 07:12 AM
one of the few?! Wasn't OD the only one? Mad props to OD!
Jesse
MarshallWhite
02-16-2005, 09:32 AM
he wasnt the only one. the dude this year from Grinada and Grizzly Brown are two I can think of off hand.
GDolan
02-16-2005, 09:39 AM
If Badenhorst was the best, he would have figured out how to beat Magnusson. OD was ripped off, but even so I think you should have a WSM title to be considered one of the "best all-time". With the exception of 1992's winner Ted van den Parr (sp?), that was a fluke. Probably the only mistake MVM made during his career (husafeltd stone fumble) and it was a COSTLY one :eek:
Ryan Phillips
02-16-2005, 10:56 AM
yeh O.D was robbed big time. he lost it on the last event which was a running race while carrying bricks. stupidist event for a stronman. its manly speed and endurance. and O.D being 400+ lbs...... and he was second to JPS by 1/2 point. poor bastard.
and yeh MVM's fumble. ouch!!!
Jesse Marunde
02-16-2005, 11:12 AM
I don't think speed had anything to do with that event. speed is not a factor when carrying weights for 400m.
Jesse
lhprop1
02-16-2005, 01:08 PM
he wasnt the only one. the dude this year from Grinada and Grizzly Brown are two I can think of off hand.
I'm new to this whole thing so excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't Marcus Henry of WWE/F fame also compete?
Jesse Marunde
02-16-2005, 01:34 PM
Mark competed in the Arnold Strongman contest, and won. As far as I know that was the only strongman contest he ever competed in. Mark was an accomplished olympic lifter and broke 900 in the deadlift. he's a strong dude no doubt! but he's never been to the WSM show, though I'm sure he could if he was of a mind to.
I don't know about the guy from Grinada. I totally forgot about Grizzly Brown. I used to email back and forth with Grizzly right up to the time of his passing. He was a super cool guy.
Jesse
GDolan
02-16-2005, 02:23 PM
Mark Felix is the name of the guy born in Grenada. He actually lives in England now and is as IFSA pro with a reported (from Eddie Ellwood) a 920 DL!
Super nice guy and super athlete as well despite being in his late 30's.
DaneGarreau
02-16-2005, 02:58 PM
Mark Felix is the name of the guy born in Grenada. He actually lives in England now and is as IFSA pro with a reported (from Eddie Ellwood) a 920 DL!
Super nice guy and super athlete as well despite being in his late 30's.
I wouldn't be suprised. He did very well on the deadlift event at this years WSM. I am pretty sure he got all but one keg.
MarshallWhite
02-16-2005, 04:15 PM
my personal belief is that Mark Henry could be one of the strongest men if not the strongest man of all time the guy is an athlete to say the least but I have some friends that are buds with him and they say that he relies too much on natural ability and not work ethic. he holds the teen squat record with a 900lb squat!!!! I did not know that grizzly had passed away. when and how? that guy used to perform a stunt in which he would hold two motorcycles (hercules hold style?) while they attempted to break free!!! He also boasted 36in wide shoulders (deltoid to deltoid)!!! What a freak!!!
Jesse Marunde
02-16-2005, 04:20 PM
Grizzly passed from heart failure. He was 42 I beleive. He had heart problems for years. I met his wife not too long ago. She was very kind and aproached me to introduce herself because she knew that Grizzly and I had emailed a few times. really nice lady.
Jesse
LaMont Campbell
02-17-2005, 02:08 AM
I think Mark Henry is a pretty strong dude. It seems like olympic Lifters fair pretty well in strongman contest for the one's that do compete. I tried olympic lifting before and that shit is no joke. I didn't compete but I did try it in the gym(wow)! That Mark Felix dude is something else. I watch him last year on t.v pretty awesome cat. :p
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 04:00 AM
i heard mark henry has snatched the inch DB.
anyone comfirm this?
LaMont Campbell
02-17-2005, 05:31 AM
I seen it on some website not for sure what site tho.
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 06:34 AM
thats just crazy :eek:
SqeezeMasterFlash
02-17-2005, 10:25 AM
Mark Henry has reportedly snatched the Inch in training, but this has not been confirmed by witnesses or on video. He was the first on record to clean and jerk the bell fully one handed
Jesse Marunde
02-17-2005, 12:01 PM
I'd love to see that live or in video. Cleanign the inch is no joke. I've seen some of the strongest freakest bros on the planet try their best to clean it to no avail. Even phil who has arguable the strongest and certainly the biggest hands in the US pro strongman circuit can't do it. Odd has an amazing grip as well, especially on thick bars, and he owns an inch and can't do it. If Mark can do it for real than my hats off to him big time.
Jesse
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 12:05 PM
i gotta know wat the deal is with the inch db. i've heard its a huge feat of strength if u can deadlift it. how much does it weigh? it looks small to me. i dont mean to be naive or anything. but i gotta know why its crazy if someone lifts it up.
i only know its a big deal if u can and when i heard henry snached it when most ppl cant DL i thought that was something
Eric Johnson
02-17-2005, 12:25 PM
Ryan, follow this link http://www6.mailordercentral.com/ironmind/prodinfo.asp?number=1348 for a picture and a little background on the Inch Dumbell
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 12:29 PM
cheers eric :)
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 12:31 PM
172lbs??? ok to me that sounds piss eaasy to DL. obvoiusly its not otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge fuss.
but why is 172lbs hard to lift?
lhprop1
02-17-2005, 12:35 PM
172lbs??? ok to me that sounds piss eaasy to DL. obvoiusly its not otherwise there wouldn't be such a huge fuss.
but why is 172lbs hard to lift?
The 2.47" diameter handle would be the little obstacle that's prevented most from hoisting it.
Imagine doing a 1-handed dl on an axle.
SqeezeMasterFlash
02-17-2005, 12:40 PM
You can make your own thick handles db using PVC around a cheap walmart bar. Give it a try. You'll be amazed at how difficult it is to lift. I've got a 2.75" handle and I've never seen anyone untrained go over 90lbs their first try.
Ryan Phillips
02-17-2005, 08:34 PM
wow. that sounds cool. i'll have to give it a try.
Eric Johnson
02-18-2005, 08:44 AM
SqeezeMasterFlash has a good idea, I use PVC for the handles on all of my dumbells. The standard cheap handles are too narrow for my hand, so I go down to the local steel shop have them cut up a 1" cold rolled steel bar, put on PVC handles weight and screw collars and you have a cheap premade db.
JamieD
02-19-2005, 04:03 AM
KAZ - strongest W-S-M winner
MVM - best allrounder
Kiri - strongest non-W-S-M winner
Baddenhorst - best deadlifter/powerlifter
Jouko - strongest mind
Pudz - great conditioning
JPS - need I say more?
G Taylor - great power
Manfred - great upperbody strength
O.D. - beast
Ryan Phillips
02-19-2005, 09:10 AM
jamie d i think u must have made a typo. u put baddenhorst and kiri above JPS. thats cool though, lucky there is an edit button hey ;)
JamieD
02-20-2005, 02:30 AM
Different eras
Would JPS of won so many titles in the KAZ era 80-81-82 or in the MVM era 94-95-96
the answer is no
Ryan Phillips
02-20-2005, 04:23 AM
i dunno man. im pretty sure jps beat kaz more times than kaz beat him.
but my point was u put 2 ppl infront of him that have never won a WSM jps is a multiple wsm winner. so com on
JamieD
02-20-2005, 05:29 AM
Ah but BIG KAZ was in his prime from 80-81-82 not 88
JPS only had Capes as competition in middle 80s and Capes beat him a few times anyway
Baddenhorst and Kiri were a class above Capes-they were stronger all over-only problem for them was that they were around in the MVM era (Manfred / Heinz Ollesch / Cowan / G Taylor / Varalaty(sp?))
Ryan Phillips
02-20-2005, 12:23 PM
but when kaz was in his prime, the events were pretty much all based on powerlifting. and thats wat kaz was. when JPS came round the events were more mobilty events testing more all round strength and power. i think JPS was a much better strongman then kiri and baddenhorst
but each to their own i guess
GDolan
02-20-2005, 12:33 PM
You can't say Kaz wasn't in his prime then. In 1988 and 1989 he won just about all the major contests EXCEPT WSM. '88 he screwed up the weight for height and in '89 he got injured, otherwise that would have been 2 more titles for him.
JamieD
02-22-2005, 06:31 AM
Ive seen the PureStrength shows on videotape that were held in Scotland-BIG KAZ wasnt BIG KAZ anymore-a shadow of his former self even trying to cheat-JPS,Capes,MVM,even Reeves and the Dutchmen were beating him time and again-these shows were in 87,88,89,possily 90
GDolan
02-22-2005, 10:04 AM
For the 1987 Pure Strength, Kaz had 6 weeks notice from a "professional wrestling career" about this show. I think he did not bad considering.......and no one was going to touch a 330 and fit Jon Pall anyways. I saw the team ones after that and you're right it wasn't a good portrayal of Kaz. What you need to try and get your hands on is copy of tapes from the World Muscle Power in Scotland and the Le Defi Mark Ten Championships in Canada from those years to see what awesome strength and fitness Kaz still had.
JamieD
02-22-2005, 10:51 AM
Seen the 87-88-89 musclepowers and yes KAZ did well to win in 88 but I imagine that the young KAZ from 80-81-82 if there were more athletic events in those days-would of dominated the KAZ of 87-88-89 on standards
A 330 fully fit JPS was good,no doubt about that,but Ive seen him defeated by KAZ,MVM,Kiri all in 88 in seperate shows (musclepower,icelandic show,finnish show) and we really have to admit that Pudz and Jouko A are little bit above JPS as much as we love JPS and the memories he gave-Baddenhorst is another one who would of excelled in the days JPS ruled-Gary T would of won his fair share in those days as well-not to mention Manfred H
JPS had no real competition in middle 80s apart from a fat old man (Capes)
GDolan
02-22-2005, 11:11 AM
A 330 fully fit JPS was good,no doubt about that,but Ive seen him defeated by KAZ,MVM,Kiri all in 88 in seperate shows
Nothing to be ashamed of losing to that crew ;) Also, with out the use of time machines, I think the athletes should be rated on how they performed during their era.
I have the Icelandic show but not the finnish one - do you own a copy?
GDolan
02-22-2005, 11:26 AM
we really have to admit that Pudz and Jouko A are little bit above JPS as much as we love JPS and the memories
I think the evolution of the sport is showing a trend: MVM watched JPS and took it to the next level. Ahola watched MVM and took it to the next level. Pudz watched Ahola and took it to the next level again. It's scary to think of what's next....
JamieD
02-22-2005, 01:40 PM
There are a few actualy,finnish nationals(JPS a guest),and the hercules cup
Finnish nationals was covered each yer in a s european strength magazine,not seen any clips from any of them(KAZ won in 90)-but I do have the hercules series on videotape from Oslo and Helsinki although they are quite repetitive and boring because Riku K wins literally every event :eek:
Yeh Geoff the sport is evolving and one day I doubt the strongmen will even enter the gym at all,in 5 yrs time I can see strongmen doing only event training,they wont even need to squat-car deadlift with the wheelbarrow handles would sort that out for example
I think Jouko most significantly took it to the next level
Chubby
02-22-2005, 02:01 PM
Kaz, Riku, and Jon-Pall Sig were my favourites. The best were quite obviously Jon-Pall and Mag Ver Mag.
neil campbell
02-24-2005, 12:01 PM
1.jps 2.mvm 3.kaz 4.pud 5.jouko 6.samuelson 7.svend 8.hugo 9.badenhorst 10.kiri or taylor or capes(yikes indecisive)
muraco atlas
04-17-2005, 09:56 PM
1. Magnus ver Magnusson
2. Jouko Ahola
3. Marius Pudz
4. Jon Pall Sigmarsson
5. Bill Kaz
6. Magnus Samulsson
Let me say that Jouko Ahola is under-rated. He won 1997 and 1999, and had he tried in 2000 and 2001, in no way, I mean no way he would have lost. Yani Viertan won in 2000, and his numbers are well below Jouko, after all he was trained by Jouko, and Jouko always emerged victorious. In 2001, Karlson, who is older than Jouko by three years won. Jouko beat Karlson three times when they faced each other. Certainly, Karlson who is at age 34, was going to be no match to Jouko at age 30 if Jouko participated in 2001. I cannot make the same definite statements had Jouko faced Pudz. I consider Jouko to be a four times winner, even though he had two under his belt. Jouko pursued an acting career instead, he made few movies and one coming soon called Kingdom of Heaven made by the producer of gladiator.
Magnus ver Magnusson got to be the strongest ever, deadlift well over 900 pounds, squat around 900, and milatry press 400+. Add to it his atheltism, and speed. Magnus have vertical strenght (deadlift, squat, press), and horizontal strength (truck pull, farmer walk,..etc), and weightlfting stamina. Complete package. Most importantly he is a class athlete.
Steve Kirit
04-18-2005, 03:30 AM
I've watched every comp and got as many stats as anyone I am pretty sure. Here are my top ones...
Magnus Ver
Ahola
Pudzianowski
Zavickas
JPS
Geoff Capes
Vasyl
Kaz
Samuelson
Wilhelm
I don't put Athletes on a different level just because they competed a while ago or looked good on TV. Pudz won twice in by far the most competitive overall field. Zydrunas has been top 2 for 3 years and untouchable at the Arnold. I really don't know why this generation of strongmen gets such disrespect...its that whole "he coulda" ideology, Capes....what an athlete. Kaz was one of the strongest, but never good at strongman events. Samuelson was never that strong, but what an event master! Wilhelm...the original strongman.
GDolan
04-18-2005, 09:01 AM
had he tried in 2000 and 2001, in no way, I mean no way he would have lost.
I think surgery on BOTH knees and BOTH shoulders "might" of had something to do with that :eek:
D.Norris
04-18-2005, 09:46 AM
1, Gary Taylor!
Mac Smith
04-18-2005, 01:50 PM
one of the few?! Wasn't OD the only one? Mad props to OD!
Jesse
Yall are forgetting about John Gamble. He finished 2nd and fourth. Very good powerlifter and current strength coach for the Dolphins.
My pics are:
1. Kaz (set the strongman standard, very few could challenge his brute strength)
2. MVM (bought pure athleticism and smart training to the sport)
3. JPS (great showman and always found a way to win)
4. OD (freakishly strong, my mentor, strongest to never win)
5. Pudz (smart)
6. Ahola
7. Wilhelm
8. Taylor
9. Capes
10. Savickas
Honorable mention - Reeves, Gamble, Kiri, Badenhorst, Gamble
Steve Kirit
04-18-2005, 02:39 PM
Seeing OD lose in 90 when he CLEARLY had JPS beaten was sickening to me. They set up an event where the men would basically jog/run around a track with a moderate weight on their back. As the BBS announcer exclaimed "what a cruel way to lose". That man could move weight, but admitted thats what he did best. I would have loved to seem him 70 pounds lighter with event training....wow.
Kaz? I totally agree with the standard he set on the powerlifting platform...Awesome. but strongman? When he won, who did he beat? I saw him in a WSM in 89 (when he was only about as old as I am now) and JPS and many other athletes were schooling him in every event. Kaz won when it was still kind of a side show event....The first year he won there were 8 competitors only about 4 of which were formidible) That was also the year after Wilhelm won his second...I wish he would have stuck around one more year for Kaz. He was perhaps the strongest ever and that's why hes on my list, but just imo, not one of the top 5...I'm open to criticism on this.
GDolan
04-18-2005, 03:04 PM
Kaz did have 2 injuries for that show - I think you can sympathize with that. Your hamstring and back kept you out of 2 WSM finals.
But MVM is far and away the best ever in this sport. Ask any of his peers - that counts alot more than anything any of us internet fans can speculate about!
AmandaDolan
04-18-2005, 05:32 PM
Geoff will discuss and analyze every detail of WSM, LeDefi, Grand Prix old and new....
He loves this stuff!!!!
During 8 years together, I have spent literally thousands of hours watching (or something snoozing to) competition tapes.
Have fun!!!!
Steve Kirit
04-18-2005, 08:15 PM
Amanda, you are indeed a rare breed..we need more women like you! Geoff is one of the pros that truly love the sport as much as I do (and Jesse!).
Geoff-good observation on Kaz, I really wasnt thinking about that. My injuries at WSm led the powers to be to give me no respect when it came time, so I guess being healthy plays I role in how we are thought of and remembered.
Magnus Ver is the best, by far, on that almost everyone agrees. I remember last yeat in St. Louis magnus was doing a little deadlift workout after day 1 of the show...he was pulling 585 for fives with no belt, easy quick and smooth with the same bar speed as I have at 455. Amazing.
GDolan
04-18-2005, 10:52 PM
STEVE,
WSM is/was the only time strongmen are prominenty featured to the general public, which makes it sad that an injury one year can have such a lasting effect. Johnny told me how bad your hammy was holding you back in 2002, and you had more points than me in 2003 but you got stuck in a stacked heat and I made it through to the final, and in 2004 everyone watching could see the pain on your face - you looked pale when you should have had a tan :D
Don Knotts
04-18-2005, 11:25 PM
Geoff or Jesse posted a bench-press question in the stat thread! If you guys get time would love your feed back.
Don Knotts
04-18-2005, 11:32 PM
Geoff I never heard of Ahola's surgery's know any details? And Savickas is the man 3 time arnold classic strength summit winner! He seem to not use his left shoulder much during the thomas inch dumbell press though.Seemed like he didn't trust it.
Steve Kirit
04-19-2005, 02:29 AM
STEVE,
WSM is/was the only time strongmen are prominenty featured to the general public, which makes it sad that an injury one year can have such a lasting effect. Johnny told me how bad your hammy was holding you back in 2002, and you had more points than me in 2003 but you got stuck in a stacked heat and I made it through to the final, and in 2004 everyone watching could see the pain on your face - you looked pale when you should have had a tan :D
Geoff...thanks man. All I can say for most of us North Americans is we all have gone into WSM pretty beat up in the past few years. 2004 was bad for me....I felt I let everyone down by getting hurt. I don't advise anyone trying to train for WSM and Nationals at the same time when they are a week apart. Had I known what was at stake at Nationals, I never would have gone to WSM...but I thought I sealed up my "good standing" in the Latvia "World Championships" when I was the only U.S. guy to go to the finals. Oh well. That was all last year....looking forward to doing some training in Sunny NC before our season starts. :o :)
Steve
Don Knotts
04-19-2005, 03:13 AM
Steve if you wouldn't of went to WSM the runner up would of took your place? That guy from Estonia was pretty good! You ever notice how all the winners of WSM were single as far as I know! Kaz say's you gotta bring your hate and rage to WSM!"You can't feel that love thing"!
ChrisD
11-09-2005, 06:08 PM
No particular order
Bill Kazmaier
JPS
MVM
Gerrit Badenhorst
Zavickas
Samuelsson
OD
Jesse potentially long future ahead of him
Paul F.X. Armstrong
01-10-2007, 07:21 PM
Is this too old of a thread to bring back to life?
2nd place WSM,2006,Pudz surely looks more human now?----
-Add to this his 6TH Place at the Arnold 2006(and remembering 4th place at the Arnold in 2003) is he still as good as you had once thought?
Some had Pudzian ranked above Savickas(or did not rank Savickas at all)
-Is that still the ranking you'd give Pudzian?
Is it that Pudzian.is not quite as good as you previously believed?Or has Phil (and Savickas and a few of the other IFSA athletes)caught up with Pudzian----or actually surpassed him?
Assuming that Savickas will win the Arnold Strongman (and that Pudzian will compete at the Arnold.)--------will Phil beat pudzian again?
Arnell Castillo
01-10-2007, 07:38 PM
1. Ahola, 2. Kaz, 3. Jon Pall, 4. Zavickas,5. MVM
, 6. PUDZ, 7. Reeves, 8. O.D. 9. TAYLOR, 10. CAPES
jay lyttle
01-10-2007, 08:53 PM
pudz not as good as we believed?, you do not win three titles and almost a fourth unless your great [not good] as far as a top five.
jon pall [could of and would of won more]
kaz [some have won more titles but not in the dominating way he did, and by the time jon pall and reeves and so on came along kaz was already hanging by a thread with so many injuries]
magnus v. [4 titles get you here]
pudz [there is more left in that tank ?, i think]
phil pfister [to early to name him one of the best of all time, maybe , but he beat one of the best, he's big, strong and loves what he does, a bit of a nut with chraisma out the ying yang that spells trouble.
i can't put wilhelm or reinhoudt ahead of him because all they beat were bodybuilders and football players, hell wilhelm tucked his tail and ran when he got a whiff of what kaz was going to bring.
two strongmen who deserve a shout out [you all have overlooked these two, maybe when you were napping] are ab wolders and tom magee two smallish guys as strongmen are concerned who competed against kaz, jon pall, capes, reevesmand a slew of other greats and always finished in the top 5. in fact i believe it was 88' when jon pall beat wolders on the second to or last event for the win [wolders beat kaz, who was injured]
Tony Christopher
01-11-2007, 07:03 AM
As training methods and nutrition have improved, people have obviously become stronger and stronger (and better and better at strongman events). Therefore, if you could put some of the "greats" up against Z, Pudz, Phil, Koklayev etc. in direct competition I think the modern guys would nearly always win.
So to make this comparison "fair" I think you have to assume that everyone hypothetically is in their prime, and has access to the same training / gear. If you do that my list looks like this:
1. Kaz
2. Jon Pall
3. Savickas
4. Magnus Ver
5. Pudz
6. Ahola
7. Reeves
8. Capes
9. Magnus Sam
10. Svend Karlssen
Koklayev will be on the list within a year or two.
Kiri, Badenhorst and Hugo are the top three strongest guys who never won WSM.
OD Wilson was way ahead of his time.
1. Pudz- trains harder than most others, fantastic all round athlete and great stamina with the strength
2. Ahola- amazing strength for such a small guy
3. Savickas- most brute strength ever?
4. JPS- good all round with charisma
5. MVM- mastered most events
6. Svend- great charisma as well as the strength
7. Geoff Capes- had to put a brit in there
8. Magnus Samuelson- strongest arms ever?
9. Kaz- over rated by you americans but still had mind blowing strength
10. Janne Virtanen- amazing athleticism and strength in 2000
ColinStubbert
01-11-2007, 06:57 PM
1. Kaz
2. Mariusz Pudzianowski
3. Jon Pall Sigmarsson
4. MVM
5. Capes
6. OD Wilson
7. Bruce Wilhelm (props for being the first)
8. Karlsen
9. Big Ol' Magnus Samuelson
10. Ahola (for changin the big man theory)
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