stone straps: where are they?

[Jesse Marunde]

I remember some one posting about stone straps a while back. Can't find that post now... Who is selling them? They are a lift aid for atlas stones. I'm trying to explain them to some one... I think I'm gonna buy one to mess around if I can find em...

thanks!

[Jessejobe]

Total performance sports. I believe the website is totalperformancesports.com.

Jesse

[Tobias Schnellbächer]

Never heard of them but sounds interesting.
But when I look at the picture of Total Performance Sports it looks more like a Grip/Finger squeezer :F:

http://www.totalperformancesports.com/Merchandise/Spuds%20files/murphstonestrap6.jpg


Anybody used them yet?
If you buy them pleas tell us how they work.

[Dane Kelley]

its made by marc bartleys line called spud straps. elitefts sells them

[MarshallWhite]

Is this for real? I got some stone straps...they're called my arms!

[Mike Pelosi]

Yes, we sell them (totalperformancesports.com) as well as elitefts.om Pretty good in my opinnion for say clients who may be interested in that sort of stuff. Stones are becoming big with clients actually. We suggested to Marc to make the strap a little bit longer. I don't know if the design has been altered or not though.

[ADAMBAUER]

Is this for real? I got some stone straps...they're called my arms!
I hear ya M DUB, I am by no means a stone superstar, but there is a certain satisfaction in knowing that you put the stone on the platform with guts and determination. I guess if people are looking to just play with stones they might be alright, but I don't see the strongman carry over. Just my .02

[Tobias Schnellbächer]

Maybe gym training with stones. Like rows with an extrem heavy stone standing with each foot on a platform and the stone in the middle. Take out the squeez efeckt and just doing rows. Or Front Squat with stones. There are a few possibilitys.
But when it comes to events, I share the opinion that nothing is better then "raw" stone lifting...

[Scott Porter]

Next thing you know is guys will be doing them blind folded!!!

Oh wait??? :LOL:

[Dane Kelley]

i agree its a waste of time just grab the damn stone and go.

[Kevin Cronin]

to those who say it's a waste of time ...

is it a waste of time for a powerlifter to use straps on his deadlift? grip is one of the components of atlas stones, along with lapping ability and loading power. by taking grip out of it you can better overload your low back and hammies and get them used to handling the heavier weights. The ironic part is that I bet at least some of those who say this strap is a waste of time load stones without tacky ... which overloads the grip on an atlas stone but is nevertheless not contest specific.

[Mike Westerling]

...on the back and maybe a way to train around an injury? I haven't tried them but if I had an injury that made it impossible to grip the stones I would rather give them a shot than skipping stones all together. :IMHO:
-Mike

[Michael Ambrose]

Ummmmm Mike,

What happened two weeks ago with stones? When are you ordering a pair 'mr gimpy arm'? Or should Steve and I get you an early birthday or Christmas present? But then again, we don't folks here to think that you'd use wimpy equipment likethis or, I don't know... maybe a swiss ball!

:M:


...on the back and maybe a way to train around an injury? I haven't tried them but if I had an injury that made it impossible to grip the stones I would rather give them a shot than skipping stones all together. :IMHO:
-Mike

[Eric Jett]

http://www.southcarolinabarbell.com/spud_inc_catalog.asp

Go down to training equipment.

[Matt Brouse]

I don't think these are a waste of time at all. Another tool which has its place.

I've heard good things about Spuds straps and such...

[Mike Westerling]

Ummmmm Mike,

What happened two weeks ago with stones? When are you ordering a pair 'mr gimpy arm'? Or should Steve and I get you an early birthday or Christmas present? But then again, we don't folks here to think that you'd use wimpy equipment likethis or, I don't know... maybe a swiss ball!

:M:

Lets see...2 weeks ago with stones....I went a little too fast through my warm ups and re-pulled my bicep. Too bad my training partners where too busy discussing each other's shorts to notice what I was doing. Maybe one of them would have reminded me to take it easy and make sure the arm was 100% before going nuts (or maybe warm up a bit more). By the way did you ever convince Steve he needs to go with either pants or shorts?
Or was that whole conversation just in vain......
-Mike

[Chris Mathison]

to those who say it's a waste of time ...

is it a waste of time for a powerlifter to use straps on his deadlift? grip is one of the components of atlas stones, along with lapping ability and loading power. by taking grip out of it you can better overload your low back and hammies and get them used to handling the heavier weights. The ironic part is that I bet at least some of those who say this strap is a waste of time load stones without tacky ... which overloads the grip on an atlas stone but is nevertheless not contest specific.

agreed.. If someone has a problem gripping stones and can never really stress the core/back because they cant grip the stone then the straps would help do that. dont rely on them but maybe work stones normally for a few sets until grip is shot and then strap up and overload the core/back.. Like matt said every tool has its place. My weakness is the second pull(you know what I mean). loading the stone because of a weak core and back so these really wouldnt help me. Just depends where your weakness lies.

[Manuel Buitrago]

Those look awesome. Just like using straps for a bar when trying to load the posterior chain. I may just buy some.

[MarshallWhite]

to those who say it's a waste of time ...

is it a waste of time for a powerlifter to use straps on his deadlift? grip is one of the components of atlas stones, along with lapping ability and loading power. by taking grip out of it you can better overload your low back and hammies and get them used to handling the heavier weights. The ironic part is that I bet at least some of those who say this strap is a waste of time load stones without tacky ... which overloads the grip on an atlas stone but is nevertheless not contest specific.
One of the main reasons to load without tacky is to "find your spot" meaning to be able to load stones without setting up every time not necessarily to "overload your grip". Maybe the tool has its place but not in my stone routine.

[Matt Schumann]

thats funny i jst used one over at Total performance the other day... definitly works good

[Kevin Cronin]

One of the main reasons to load without tacky is to "find your spot" meaning to be able to load stones without setting up every time not necessarily to "overload your grip". Maybe the tool has its place but not in my stone routine.

marshall, i just finished a month/month-and-a-half training cycle without tacky and I didnt notice any improved ability to pick up the stones. Without the tacky I had to futz aroudn a little more to make sure my hands where exactly where I wanted them on the stone, with tacky I still had to make sure my hands were in a decent spot.

Are you saying that training tacklyless should enable you to jsut slap your hands on and lift with the tacky? Do you think I did somehting wrong during my tackyless training that i havent seen any improvements?

[MarshallWhite]

marshall, i just finished a month/month-and-a-half training cycle without tacky and I didnt notice any improved ability to pick up the stones. Without the tacky I had to futz aroudn a little more to make sure my hands where exactly where I wanted them on the stone, with tacky I still had to make sure my hands were in a decent spot.

Are you saying that training tacklyless should enable you to jsut slap your hands on and lift with the tacky? Do you think I did somehting wrong during my tackyless training that i havent seen any improvements?
That is almost exactly what I am saying....in my opinion you should never train super heavy stones without tacky they should be light (up to 350-360) and you should work on just gripping and ripping. Tackyless stones should be all about speed...when you go back to tacky (I wouldn't train more than 2 weeks without tacky it's really hard on your biceps) you should notice that due to the tackless training when you dive bomb a stone you are in the exact position to lift it...without "futzing" around. The lack of futzing around (in my opinion) is the one thing that seperates a good stone loader from the rest.

[Matt Schumann]

let me ask you to clarify for me...

So its good to make tacky a part of stone training on a regular basis?? Im still relatively new at stone training and i was under the impression that it was better to train without it. But ill do anything to get better

[MarshallWhite]

let me ask you to clarify for me...

So its good to make tacky a part of stone training on a regular basis?? Im still relatively new at stone training and i was under the impression that it was better to train without it. But ill do anything to get better
Why would you only train without? You'll never be able to hit huge stones that way...and you won't ever (maybe once in your career) do a show without. In my opinion you should use tacky more than you shouldn't.

[Scott Porter]

Why would you only train without? You'll never be able to hit huge stones that way...and you won't ever (maybe once in your career) do a show without. In my opinion you should use tacky more than you shouldn't.

Good to hear another one of the best HW pros at stones shares the same thoughts as I do. Kevin Nee is the other I know of.

Tacky = good.

Of course, once we reach the 105 degree temp out here in the summer, even Elite tacky will not help very much.

[Nikhil Rao]

to those who say it's a waste of time ...

is it a waste of time for a powerlifter to use straps on his deadlift? grip is one of the components of atlas stones, along with lapping ability and loading power. by taking grip out of it you can better overload your low back and hammies and get them used to handling the heavier weights. The ironic part is that I bet at least some of those who say this strap is a waste of time load stones without tacky ... which overloads the grip on an atlas stone but is nevertheless not contest specific.

lol you said it for me.

This reminds me of how everyone poopoos straps but whenever someone asks which straps they should buy, the same people that say straps are garbage have recommendations and opinions on multiple brands.

If you've got the raw strength but not the grip to go after a big stone, should you just refrain from training heavy entirely and wait for your grip to catch up? What a friggin waste of time. Straps and lifting aids like this can help you keep making progress when you've got a lagging body part or when you want to learn how to go heavier.

[Adam Keep]

Straps are a funny subject with powerlifters. They almost all hate them, but will wear suits and shirts that aid their lift hundreds of pounds. I am all for them and any other lifting aid out there. If others might be wearing them so will I. It falls into the same boat as lighter shoes for runners and shaved shots instead of poured for the throwers. If it helps, why not use it?

[Wes Richardson]

Straps are allowed in a lot of deadlift events. Stone straps not so much

Deadlift w/straps= good idea because that will happen in competition

Stones w/ straps= bad idea because that will not happen in competition.

Pretty simple...

[Adam Keep]

Straps are allowed in a lot of deadlift events. Stone straps not so much

Deadlift w/straps= good idea because that will happen in competition

Stones w/ straps= bad idea because that will not happen in competition.

Pretty simple...

Not so much... You would use them for the same reason everybody has said, to overload the back.

[Kevin Cronin]

Straps are allowed in a lot of deadlift events. Stone straps not so much

Deadlift w/straps= good idea because that will happen in competition

Stones w/ straps= bad idea because that will not happen in competition.

Pretty simple...

remember the part where I wrote that a POWERLIFTER might still use straps? straps are not used in PL comps

[Adam Keep]

remember the part where I wrote that a POWERLIFTER might still use straps? straps are not used in PL comps

Amen brother!

[Dave Ostlund]

Why would you only train without? You'll never be able to hit huge stones that way...and you won't ever (maybe once in your career) do a show without. In my opinion you should use tacky more than you shouldn't.


I couldn't agree more. I used to train tackyless once in awhile early in my career when I had trouble off the ground. I got a lot better on stones when I started training with tacky more.

[MarshallWhite]

remember the part where I wrote that a POWERLIFTER might still use straps? straps are not used in PL comps
The best time for a pl'er to use straps is when he/she is doing multiple sets/reps and the grip won't hold up for that amount of time. There is no way you could do a stone run with these straps and in my opinion it would be ignorant to train a max stone with these as the movement will be completely different without the straps.

[Kevin Cronin]

That is almost exactly what I am saying....in my opinion you should never train super heavy stones without tacky they should be light (up to 350-360) and you should work on just gripping and ripping. Tackyless stones should be all about speed...when you go back to tacky (I wouldn't train more than 2 weeks without tacky it's really hard on your biceps) you should notice that due to the tackless training when you dive bomb a stone you are in the exact position to lift it...without "futzing" around. The lack of futzing around (in my opinion) is the one thing that seperates a good stone loader from the rest.

so marshall, i can't load the 320 (EDIT: without tacky) (i can break it off the ground but thats it) i can load our 275 stone w/ no tacky, but it takes a little messing around to get my grip. You're saying that I should go with a lighter stone that I can grip without even thinking about it, like a 220 or something taht I can just grab w/out worrying about getting my hands completely under the stone?

[Scott Porter]

Kevin, I'm not Marshall but I think what you're suggesting would NOT work.

You need to get stronger and do it with tacky.

What we're doing out here in AZ must be working. We have one LW who can easily load the 410 for a single, probably will do it in a series once he tries to and another LW who just loaded the 410 in a 240/300/345/365/410 series and this guy only has 9 months of strength and strongman training.

We only train with tacky.

[MarshallWhite]

so marshall, i can't load the 320 (EDIT: without tacky) (i can break it off the ground but thats it) i can load our 275 stone w/ no tacky, but it takes a little messing around to get my grip. You're saying that I should go with a lighter stone that I can grip without even thinking about it, like a 220 or something taht I can just grab w/out worrying about getting my hands completely under the stone?
Yes try loading that 220 as a speed set...but like scott says step up and hit that 320 with tacky and you'll find that your no tacky loads get better as well.

[Kevin Cronin]

Yes try loading that 220 as a speed set...but like scott says step up and hit that 320 with tacky and you'll find that your no tacky loads get better as well.

Sorry Scott and Marshall, i should've been clearer: i've hit 320 and a 355 with tacky, our next stone is 405 or something tho, cant load that. I'll try the 220, for speed next time i go no tacky, thanks Marshall

[Wes Richardson]

remember the part where I wrote that a POWERLIFTER might still use straps? straps are not used in PL comps

What does that have to do with anything? This is strongman where straps are allowed and stone straps are not...guess I don't understand what you're saying.

I agree with Marshall also it looks like the stone strap changes the movement too much to 'overload the back' but thats just what I gather from the picture.

PS... Train with tacky

[JEFF VANCO]

Why would you only train without? You'll never be able to hit huge stones that way...and you won't ever (maybe once in your career) do a show without. In my opinion you should use tacky more than you shouldn't.

I totally agree - and I don't want to rip my biceps off anyway. :p