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Dave Ostlund
06-18-2007, 10:49 AM
First off I just want to thank all my training partners, especially Karl Gillingham who has been a mentor to me for the last 3 years, my support staff that came with me, my father, wife, and the rest of my family. Without these people I wouldn't have been able to perform at the level I did on Saturday.

I arrived in LA on Friday morning with Karl and some of my friends and family. In the weeks leading up to this contest I had about the best training I could have hoped for and I was very fortunate not to get any little injuries that so often plague athletes before contests at this level of the sport.

We had the rules meeting at 8pm and there were a few minor changes to some of the events, nothing out of the ordinary. For those wondering, this is the section of scoring that we received via e-mail before the contest and then reviewed for 10-15 minutes at the meeting:

"Scoring:

Timed Disciplines shall be scored by electronic timing whenever possible, and distances shall be measured by standard measuring tapes. The score in a Discipline shall be determined by placement and based on the number of Athletes starting in the first Discipline of the specific Grand Prix (i.e. if there are 14 Athletes starting, the winner of a Discipline receives 14 points, and 2nd place 13 points etc.). If an Athlete pass or fail to get a measurable result in a Discipline, he will receive zero (0) points (i.e. fails to get one repetition in a Discipline for maximum repetitions, fails to lift the opening weight in a max lift, etc.). The score for a placement shall be reduced to the number of participants in given discipline with the exception the last/final discipline that will have double points awarded. For example, if the score for 1st place is 14 points in the first Discipline, it will remain 14 points in subsequent Disciplines, but reduce to 10 in the 4th discipline and to 8 in the 5th discipline. In the final discipline the winner will receive 16 points (based on 8 participants), second place get 14 point, third gets 12 points etc.."

We were told this was to make the TV production more exciting. I made it clear that I disagreed with this scoring format and I still disagree with it. Anyways, the scoring stayed the same and I stopped worrying about it after the meeting since it was out of my hands. This is also the same scoring format that was used 2 months ago at the Mohegan Sun.

Went back to my room after the meeting and watched the movie 300 and went to bed. I must have woken up a half dozen times in a panic thinking I overslept, I was very nervous for this show.

First event was Farmer's Walk, 385/hand for 25 meters with multiple set-downs allowed. I was paired against Kevin and knew if I didn't perform at 100% he was going to make me look silly on this. I had so much adrenaline coursing through me that the pick-up felt like nothing. My speed felt great, but about halfway down my grip started getting questionable. I made it about 23 meters and had a set down. Kevin almost caught up to me and then had his first set-down. I thought I'll rest another couple seconds and go. Kevin picked his up again almost immediately and passed me. I finished 2 secs behind him. Got 3rd here which was good start. St. Clair was the only athlete to not drop these and he got the win here.

Press medley was next. My pressing has been my biggest weakness since I started this sport, but I have trained it very hard and it has come along quite a bit in the last year. The order I chose for this event was log, axle, rock, DB. The log was very easy, the axle wasn't too bad but the continental took alot out of me. I was really sucking wind when I got to the rock. The rock has always been a fairly easy press for me, but I barely got it and was actually quite lucky that Svend gave me a good lift. The judging for the rock was quite lenient, but I would not have counted my lift in training. In fact the only athlete who really lifted the rock well was Gillingham. I ran to the DB and had to take another 15-20sec of rest but made that as well. Ended 6th of 14 on this event. I am very happy with the progress I've made so far on this. I have to give credit to Matt Wanat since a lot of my press training comes from ideas he has given me.

Third event was 950lbs yoke for 20 meters. Not much to say on this except I was not at all pleased with my run. It felt very slow and uncoordinated. My split stance start didn't really give me a faster start like it usually does. I still ended up in 2nd somehow with a time of 15 seconds and change.

Tombstone carry was next. It was originally supposed to be for 40 meters with a turn at 20. It was changed to 25 meters with no turns. It turned out to be a perfect distance since only 30% of the field finished it. Coming into the contest I felt that along with yoke, I had the best chance of winning this event. The first strongman equipment I ever had were field stones and I've been training with rocks like this since I was 13 years old. This rock ended up being much harder than the rock I had been training with for the last 6 weeks. I finished the course in like 28 or 29 seconds I think without any drops. My hamstrings were completely locked up about halfway into it. For me this was the most brutal event of the day. I won the event beating Mariusz by about 5 sec. Karl also finished in just under a minute. I think Karl had to pick it up about 3 times, he refused to quit on it. It was very inspiring.

Fifth was deadlift/frame carry medley. Everybody made the axle, barbell, and fishing pole ok, but the frame really separated the men on this. It was an 880 lb frame for 10m. Of the 3 men who move in, Phillip went about 1 foot, Gillingham went 2 feet and Mariusz maybe went 3 or 4 feet. For many it never left the ground. I put up a fast time through the 3 deadlifts, rested and re-chalked for the frame. I picked it up nearly to lock out before it came out of my grip. I didn't have anything left for it and went back to the tent to re-group for the last event. For the athletes who moved the frame this might have been a harder event than the stone carry.

Going into the atlas stone I was 2 pts ahead of Jesse and was worried since the double score effectively only put me 1 pt ahead. Jesse and I have always gone back and forth with each other on stones and I knew he'd be on for this run. Jesse went in the heat before me and put up a sick time of 18 seconds. I was to go head to head with Mariusz in the last heat. Karl needed me to place ahead of Mark to lock up a 4th place finish for him. It was high pressure and I loved it! I one motioned the first three and then 4 went up very easy as did 5. I check the time with Svend and saw I had gone about 17.5 sec. I went over to cheer Mariusz on as he was uncharacteristically struggling with the fifth stone. He missed his first lift with it, but came back to make it on his second attempt. I walked off to the scoring tent to confirm that Karl had got 4th and locked up his spot for WSM. I was very happy that I knew I had got 2nd. Odd came to the tent and said he thought I might have got 1st, this was the first time that even crossed my mind. Sure enough, Mariusz ended up 5th on stones behind me, Jesse, Tarmo, and Mark. I was in shock since any thoughts of first had evaporated after the 5th event.

I know I don't even look happy in the picture of me on the podium, but I was in such shock I wasn't able to manage a smile.

Displeased would be an understatement to describe Mariusz's demeanor. He claimed he didn't know of the rule and he may not have. If he didn't know, then it was a failure of due diligence on his part. He competed at Mohegan in April where this scoring was used, he was e-mailed a copy of the rules on June 4th (I think I said 3 wks notice somewhere else, turned out to be 12 days. Still ample time though.), and he was at the rules meeting with a translator where we reviewed the scoring.

If he was never provided with this information then I would have felt rotten about taking 1st and would have gladly given him the 1st place trophy and the difference in 1st and 2nd place prize money. The way it happened though I don't feel bad about it and I am still strongly opposed to the scoring system we used. Also, to address any comments that this rule was made for the stones to give Jesse and I clear advantage over Mariusz, consider this: Out of the 10 times Mariusz and I have competed on stones together he has beat me 8 times and I have beat him twice (including this past weekend). I believe the results for Mariusz v. Jesse are similar.

I am very happy to be returning to WSM and am excited to start training. I am also very happy for Karl Gillingham. It was a fantastic day for team Minnesota. Jesse also cleared up any doubts of his health and has returned in fantastic shape.

Billy Wolt
06-18-2007, 10:52 AM
great job Dave.

looking forward to seeing you kick some butt at worlds.

D.J. Satterfield
06-18-2007, 11:02 AM
Dave,
Great job man, I am very happy for you. As far as the rules, I too think they are ridiculous. Score every event the same way. But you know what, you didn't make them and all you can do is play by them.
Great job again and congratulations on a great win.

Jesse Marunde
06-18-2007, 11:03 AM
great write up dave. you're a true champion. can't wait to battle the rest of the world with you at WSM 07. I sincerely hope we don't end up in the same prelim heat...

DaneGarreau
06-18-2007, 11:19 AM
Awesome job Dave.

And congrats on being the first person to beat Mariusz on a stone carrying event.

Paul F.X. Armstrong
06-18-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks for the write up.
Congratulations.

dave barron
06-18-2007, 11:21 AM
But what'd you think of 300???

ADAMBAUER
06-18-2007, 11:21 AM
Great re-cap Dave. This is what adds to the sports uniqueness, within a few hours or days we can get a first hand account from the competitors who were there. In what other sport can this be done?
The rules were what they were hopefully they will make the needed changes next year (to do so this year would cause even more of an uproar).
IMHO, Marius seemed to under estimate the drive of the other competitors, He has been the "King of the hill" for so long for him to lose was not even an option and then when Dave came in and beat him... well he needed somthing to blame instead of himself so he claimed not to know the scoring rules. But thats just my opinion. Dave congrats your the man.

Mike Zylinski
06-18-2007, 11:38 AM
Dave,

Congrats on 1st place! Out of curiousity, where is WSM 2007 being held this year?

SBaier
06-18-2007, 11:39 AM
Great job Dave!

Jeremy Leonard
06-18-2007, 11:49 AM
Awesome write up and congragulations Dave. Also congragulations 2 every competitor.
What happened to Kevin Nee?

Kevin Cronin
06-18-2007, 11:52 AM
Dave thanks for teh write-up. It really contributes to strongman when the pros can provide their first-hand accounts

Brandon Smith
06-18-2007, 11:57 AM
Great job on the win Dave! I was actually watching the finals of WSM 2005 yesterday on ESPN and can't wait to see you and Jesse and all the Americans have a great showing this year!

Corey St. Clair
06-18-2007, 12:04 PM
hey Dave-O, good job this past weekend...just wanted to axe you...what do you think the #1 thing you did different in this show that made a difference with your success?

Also, what are the top 3 things you've done to continually improve?

oh yeah, do you still have my dad's knife you won here in 2004?

www.stclairstrength.com :F:

oh yeah again, does anyone know where the heck Scott Brengel was? A show in So Cal isn't the same w/o him there in his yellow shorts............

Matt Makousky
06-18-2007, 12:31 PM
Congrats Dave

M2

Paul Savage
06-18-2007, 12:37 PM
thanks for the write up dave, always an interesting read - HUGE win for you!

sounds to me like watching this contest would be exiciting enough, i dont think silly rules are needed - talking of watching it, anyone know when this is likely to be on tv in the uk?

Kalle Beck
06-18-2007, 12:44 PM
Congrats Dave, I have a feeling America will hold the title again this year.

Mike Caruso
06-18-2007, 12:58 PM
Congratulations Dave and Karl!
Awesome performance from both of you!

BradyJones
06-18-2007, 01:05 PM
great job dave! as i watched you and mariusz race in this event, i think you still would have beat him in the stones even if he didnt drop then 2nd and 5th.. you looked VERY fast on ALL five stones..

Josh Kamins
06-18-2007, 01:09 PM
I agree Brady, you looked real impressive on Saturday Dave. It was a pleasure watching you perform in person.

Mike Westerling
06-18-2007, 01:54 PM
I actually like the scoring system like that. Put extra points on the event that essentially defines strongman to the average person! In 06 at Mohegan Mariusz was the only one to load all 6 stones and, if memory doesn't fail me, both Dave and Jesse were there and neither loaded the 6th stone. So how can it be said the scoring was done to give them a chance to beat Mariusz? If anything it seems it would've sealed his win by an even greater margin!

Either way, awesome job DAVE OSTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :KD:

-Mike

Mac Smith
06-18-2007, 02:15 PM
I actually like the scoring system like that. Put extra points on the event that essentially defines strongman to the average person! In 06 at Mohegan Mariusz was the only one to load all 6 stones and, if memory doesn't fail me, both Dave and Jesse were there and neither loaded the 6th stone. So how can it be said the scoring was done to give them a chance to beat Mariusz? If anything it seems it would've sealed his win by an even greater margin!

Either way, awesome job DAVE OSTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :KD:

-Mike


Great point Mike. From what I've seen in the past Mariusz has always prided himself in his stone abilities. Either way, great job by him and Jesse. And mad props to Dave for winnin'!!!

Garrick Daft
06-18-2007, 04:06 PM
Yes, Mariusz's stone loading is close to the best in the world. So any conspiracy stuff is just misplaced anger or something.

SS just miscalculated how double-points would effect regular fans. Sure, it might be an "OK" idea for a channel-flipping "oh that's on tv" fan....but followers of the sport will have a problem with it.

Regardless, it is legendary whenever someone beats Mariusz because he has set the bar so high for himself. He didn't get the nickname "Dominator" for any other reason then that he destroys the field of athletes he competes against, usually by double-digit margins.

Once again, Great performance Dave!!

Mike Stewart
06-18-2007, 04:14 PM
Nice job Dave and great write-up! I love that we are priveleged(spelling?) to have an insider's perspective on what goes on during the contests.

Dan Harrison
06-18-2007, 05:26 PM
Went back to my room after the meeting and watched the movie 300 and went to bed.

That's why Dave won on saturday.

Way to go, man. Dave the freaking man DID IT.

Jared Enderton
06-18-2007, 05:50 PM
great write-up man. congrats. Where do you guys train out of? Minneapolis?

Josh Kamins
06-18-2007, 06:11 PM
That's why Dave won on saturday.

Way to go, man. Dave the freaking man DID IT.

Hey Dan, have fun double teaming that yoke with Tiner? If only that was how it was done in comps eh...

Dave Ostlund
06-18-2007, 06:27 PM
great write-up man. congrats. Where do you guys train out of? Minneapolis?


I train in Minneapolis/St. Paul mostly. I usually drive to Karl Gillingham's house about once per week to train with him.

Dave Ostlund
06-18-2007, 06:36 PM
hey Dave-O, good job this past weekend...just wanted to axe you...what do you think the #1 thing you did different in this show that made a difference with your success?

Also, what are the top 3 things you've done to continually improve?

oh yeah, do you still have my dad's knife you won here in 2004?

www.stclairstrength.com :F:

oh yeah again, does anyone know where the heck Scott Brengel was? A show in So Cal isn't the same w/o him there in his yellow shorts............


#1 thing was bring up my weaknesses (press and grip).

3 things off the top of my head:

1. Add more volume to my training with light events, like 50% of max type stuff. This has helped me especially for grip.
2. Train with top strongmen as often as possible. That's why I drive to Karl's at least once a week. Kevin has come out to train. My training in Texas with Ortmayer, Poundstone, Thigpen, and McClure was awesome. I always come away with more motivation after these sessions.
3. Finally adding some structure to my diet and keeping better track of it. I make sure to hit minimums each day for protein, fiber, and green vegetable intake. I also eat at more scheduled times than in the past.

And yes, I still have the knife.

Great job on Saturday, especially on farmer's. You looked way stronger on everything since Fit Expo.

Jay O'Neill
06-18-2007, 06:45 PM
Well Dave All I have to say is that You are a class act and deserve to win as much as anyone. I am always proud to see you and Karl do well and represent the USA.
As far as the scoring... I guess if the point is to win every event, then why would it matter. Like Jesse said, It ain't the World's Second Strongest Man. When you compete you compete to win all the events, no on picks and chooses the events they want to win VS. the ones they want to place lower.
Awesome Job Dave!

Kevin Klavetter
06-18-2007, 06:50 PM
I made it clear that I disagreed with this scoring format and I still disagree with it. Anyways, the scoring stayed the same and I stopped worrying about it after the meeting since it was out of my hands. This is also the same scoring format that was used 2 months ago at the Mohegan Sun.



In true Minnesota fashion you stated your point up front, made your arguments ahead of time, played by the rules, and need no explainations after. The rules were the same for everyone and you won. No question, no excuse.

Congratulations on the victory now lets see a WSM 1st and 2nd place trophies up on a shelf in Jackal's gym. I will let you and Karl battle out who gets what, just bring them home to Minnesota.

Jared Enderton
06-18-2007, 07:47 PM
I train in Minneapolis/St. Paul mostly. I usually drive to Karl Gillingham's house about once per week to train with him.

man, that's only like 3.0-3.5 hours away from me. Where does Karl train at? sorry for all the nosy questions haha.

Jason Bergmann
06-18-2007, 09:43 PM
Great write-up Dave! Congrats on an impressive victory at Venice Beach. So can we now figure out some training days?! To think you were worried you weren't going to qaulify?! :F:

Derek Poundstone
06-18-2007, 10:02 PM
Nice write-up Dave and most importantly Congrats!! I posted in a few threads that people were underestimating you! I knew you would come into the show prepared as always. You looked sick in South Carolina and if it wasn't for the heavy log for reps, the contest woulda been a race when it came time for stones. You also looked sick for the training day in Texas, you looked strong as hell. I'll be rooting for you, Jesse and Nee come time for WSM!! Keep up the good work and enjoy that first pro win, you deserve it. I look forward to our next meeting!!

MarshallWhite
06-18-2007, 10:12 PM
Great Job Dave you never cease to impress.

Corey DuCharme
06-19-2007, 08:02 AM
So can we now figure out some training days?!

Please make this happen and please post some sick videos!!

Great job Dave!! Thanks again for the contest report, it really does a service for the sport and all of us fans love it.

Kevin Nee
06-19-2007, 04:33 PM
hell yea dave!!! we are all so proud of you!!! and congrats to jesse and Karl also....Americans are gonna tear it up this year at worlds!!!!

TEXAS STONEMAN
06-20-2007, 02:04 AM
Congrats again Dave! I am going to claim the credit for your and Derek's victories since you guys both came to Texas and learned how to win... :EB:


:F: 'S

Pete Berg
06-20-2007, 05:37 AM
Dave has it hit you yet? Dave you beat Super Mariusz! Only the 2nd American to do this.

Michael Douglas - uk
06-20-2007, 01:08 PM
wow - after me saying that i didnt rate dave he goes and does that and me have to eat my words.

dont understand the scoring system !

and marius is still a legend, its just people are catching upto him, and he ive said it before, but hes went downhill since he parted company with a certain other fed.

tom_mcclure
06-20-2007, 07:37 PM
#1 thing was bring up my weaknesses (press and grip).

3 things off the top of my head:

1. Add more volume to my training with light events, like 50% of max type stuff. This has helped me especially for grip.
2. Train with top strongmen as often as possible. That's why I drive to Karl's at least once a week. Kevin has come out to train. My training in Texas with Ortmayer, Poundstone, Thigpen, and McClure was awesome. I always come away with more motivation after these sessions.
3. Finally adding some structure to my diet and keeping better track of it. I make sure to hit minimums each day for protein, fiber, and green vegetable intake. I also eat at more scheduled times than in the past.

And yes, I still have the knife.

Great job on Saturday, especially on farmer's. You looked way stronger on everything since Fit Expo. Congrats Dave! Also to Karl and Jesse. You guys need to represent! Great strategy Dave, work on what you needed to improve. That's what we should all do, try to be good all around. Nice job, I'm not surprised at all that you won!

tom_mcclure
06-20-2007, 07:39 PM
Congrats Dave! Also to Karl and Jesse. You guys need to represent! Great strategy Dave, work on what you needed to improve. That's what we should all do, try to be good all around. Nice job, I'm not surprised at all that you won!
You have a lot of tricks left in your bag though, show us!

Michael Douglas - uk
06-22-2007, 10:38 AM
I actually like the scoring system like that. Put extra points on the event that essentially defines strongman to the average person! In 06 at Mohegan Mariusz was the only one to load all 6 stones and, if memory doesn't fail me, both Dave and Jesse were there and neither loaded the 6th stone. So how can it be said the scoring was done to give them a chance to beat Mariusz? If anything it seems it would've sealed his win by an even greater margin!

Either way, awesome job DAVE OSTLAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :KD:

-Mike


Just read the post on ironmind and i now understand the scoring system and imo its wrong, strongman comps should not be scored like this, it doesnt make the comp better to watch, it just allows someone to win who maybe wouldnt be capable in the old scoring way.
I suspect that had an american not won then peoples views would be different, however saying that im not going to take anything away from Dave as he won and he won well. I dont like this system at all.

I didnt realise that this scoring sysem was at the m/sun comp, if that is the case then marius doesnt really have an argument.

Eric Johnson
06-22-2007, 01:26 PM
Just read the post on ironmind and i now understand the scoring system and imo its wrong, strongman comps should not be scored like this, it doesnt make the comp better to watch, it just allows someone to win who maybe wouldnt be capable in the old scoring way.
I suspect that had an american not won then peoples views would be different, however saying that im not going to take anything away from Dave as he won and he won well. I dont like this system at all.

I didnt realise that this scoring sysem was at the m/sun comp, if that is the case then marius doesnt really have an argument.

An american didn't win at the mohegan sun and nobody bitched about the scoring system, but poor Pudz loses and an american wins and all of a sudden it is a bad system?

It is funny how people always talk about americans being crybabies, but it seems just the oppisite on this issue, not just this forum either.

Diane Watts
06-22-2007, 02:16 PM
Dave -
Great job on your victory! Judging from the pics. it looks like you have added a lot of size. What are you weighing these days? Once again congradulations!

Ian Duggan
06-22-2007, 04:37 PM
..im not going to take anything away from Dave as he won and he won well.
I'm sure Dave O will be very relieved to hear that.

Michael Douglas - uk
06-23-2007, 04:44 AM
I'm sure Dave O will be very relieved to hear that.


whats the saying regarding sarcasim ? pick your handbag up mate and put your extra brownie points in it.

Michael Douglas - uk
06-23-2007, 04:48 AM
An american didn't win at the mohegan sun and nobody bitched about the scoring system, but poor Pudz loses and an american wins and all of a sudden it is a bad system?

It is funny how people always talk about americans being crybabies, but it seems just the oppisite on this issue, not just this forum either.


Please read the bottom of my post, it does say that marius doesnt have an argument. However poor pudz as you describe him, is probably the best strongman to have ever walked the plannet (if we were to look at his results in every comp). So when you guys give him a hard time, it may be worth remembering that fact.

I think people have caught up to marius because he took his eye of the ball, not because of ability.

Derek Poundstone
06-23-2007, 05:32 AM
I think people have caught up to marius because he took his eye of the ball, not because of ability.
Michael, I think guys like Marius and Zadrunas have set the bar and the rest of us are rising to the occasion!

Michael Douglas - uk
06-23-2007, 06:57 AM
Michael, I think guys like Marius and Zadrunas have set the bar and the rest of us are rising to the occasion!


I wouldnt disagree with what your saying, its an exciting time for strongman, but i genuinley think that people forget just how good marius was/is. I believe that had the split not happened in strongman and everyone was competiting, then marius would still be sitting at the top of the tree because he would of had to stay in top gear and not let his standards slip, because in the last few years he could enter a comp below par (including wsm) and still win it easily, where as now if everyone competed in one fed then marius would probably not even make the top five.

Think of when Mike Tyson was in his prime and at his best, no one could touch him but then events outside of the ring effected his game, and then it seemed that any boxer could beat him. Im comparing this to strongman, marius is getting beat off strongmen who are imo no where near as good as he is, and when this happens people get all excited and slag the guy off, all im saying is that i believe people are not seeing the whole picture and are under a false impression.

We all love kaz, sven, hugo etc they were/are brilliant strongmem and they get lots of respect, but all of a sudden marius get slated and doesnt get the same respect as those guys but the fact is they havent achieved half of what he has, i just dont understand why people disrespect him, unless of course the guy is a right tosser but wouldnt know as i have never met the guy.

Paul Neuhaus
06-23-2007, 07:19 AM
We all love kaz, sven, hugo etc they were/are brilliant strongmem and they get lots of respect, but all of a sudden marius get slated and doesnt get the same respect as those guys but the fact is they havent achieved half of what he has, i just dont understand why people disrespect him, unless of course the guy is a right tosser but wouldnt know as i have never met the guy.
I can't speak for everyone, but I can give you my reasons for lack of respect.

Last summer, I sat down and had a conversation with a strongman (who's name I will not reveal) and he told me of a conversation he had with Mariusz. He told me of Mariusz's disdain and lack of respect for Americans, calling us "lazy" (among other things). This is just one example.

Since then, I am no longer a "Mariusz fan". No matter the sport, I have always been a fan of the athletes who demonstrate humilty, and show respect for their competition. If you ever meet Dave and have a chance to talk to him, you'll know that he's one of the most humble people you'll ever meet.

I don't want to get into a debate on the issue. I'm just responding to your question and giving you some insight from my point of view.