Chris Benoit and family found dead

[Nicolette L.]

Did anyone else hear this?

According to published reports, WWE professional wrestler Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home in Peachtree City.

On their Web site, World Wrestling Entertainment officials said that Benoit and his family were found dead on Monday.

The statement said, " World Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities. Monday night's "Raw" on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family."

Fayette County and Peachtree City authorities have not confirmed Benoit's death.

[Jared Enderton]

Oh no. I always enjoyed watching Chris wrestle when I was younger. my best wishes go out to the Benoit family and friends. As soon as anyone knows what happened, please post!

[Nicolette L.]

I will post more as soon as I hear it. I am just shocked by all of this.

[Jared Enderton]

I will post more as soon as I hear it. I am just shocked by all of this.

me too, how many in the family, do you know?

[chrisklavette]

me too, how many in the family, do you know?
I am watching the special right now. They said Chris, his wife, and one of their kids. Craziness.

[Nicolette L.]

Yes him, his wife Nancy and his son Daniel were all found dead in their home in Atlanta, Georgia. I just read something about they called to say they would miss an engagement due to a "family emergency". The details are still very sketchy.

[CHANTZWILSON]

Yes, this is very sad. I am watching RAW right now. I didn't know that this happened, but I read that he had a family emergency and had to miss last night's pay-per-view. This is horrible, and he will be missed.

[Troy Zama]

wonder what the hell happened :(

[Mike Landrich]

The Edmonton Sun website was the only legit news source I could find that was carrying this. It's a shame.

[Nicolette L.]

The Atlanta Journal just reported that they did NOT die from gunshot wounds.

[ADAMBAUER]

That sucks, just another lost WWE star, Billy Kidman, Eddie Guerrro(sp?), Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, etc. Benoit was such an amazing all around athlete, trained at the dungeon with Stu Hart and the rest of the eras best mat technicians(sp?). Our hearts go out the family and friends. :(

[Kevin Cronin]

that sucks. in an era when a lot of guys got by with fake punches and their skills on the mic, benoit had real technical ability. I'll always remember when he had finally had it with wcw and decided to defect to the wwf he offered to job to sid vicious and pass the title back the right way. WCW didnt take him up on it, no surprise there. The Wolverine was one intense dude

[JEFF VANCO]

So terrible - such horrible tragedy

I think those WWF superstars are cursed

[Richard Reynolds]

This is the report from http://www.foxnews.com

Murder-Suicide Suspected in Death of Wrestler, Family
Georgia police reportedly believe Chris Benoit killed wife, son over the weekend, himself Monday.

Very sad.

[Anthony Cissell]

According to a report on WAGA-TV, investigators believe Chris Benoit killed his wife and son at some point over the weekend, and then killed himself earlier today.

They reported first hearing from a concerned neighbor and that the three bodies were found in separate rooms.

Detective Bo Turner told the staion the case was being investigated as a murder-suicide, but it could not be confirmed until the evidence was examined by a crime lab.

Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today.

Benoit was found dead in his weight room. Nancy was found dead in the living room. Daniel was found dead in his bedroom, accordig to an unnamed source in the department.

Lt. Tommy Pope told ABC News "the instruments of death were located on the scene," but didn't specify what those were or where they were found. Pope said the department was not actively searching for any suspects outside the house.

[Arnell Castillo]

what the hell is wrong with the wwe and its athletes ? too many have passed away like this . drugs.alcohol, too many nights and years on the road ? very tagic .

[Chris Mathison]

So they aired a 3 hour tribute to a guy who just killed his 7 year old son and wife.. WHY??

[Billy Wolt]

i'm going to guess she was cheatin on him and then he went on a rampage.

[James Whisman]

So they aired a 3 hour tribute to a guy who just killed his 7 year old son and wife.. WHY??

When the special aired they did not know it was a murder-suicide

[dronga]

they also said on the news that when they release his text messages and how he killed them and himself its going to seem bizarre. they also said no gun was used. anymore info i find i'll let you know.

[lhprop1]

i'm going to guess she was cheatin on him and then he went on a rampage.

What I heard is that his wife strangled their son for one reason or another. When Chris found out, he flipped out and killed her. And after a day to think it over, himself, too.

Regardless of what really happened, the authorities have said that the circumstances are going to seem extremely bizarre when they're released to the public. Right now, everything is conjecture and rumor. For all we know, bigfoot could have snuck into the house and set it up to look like a murder suicide.

[Billy Wolt]

What I heard is that his wife strangled their son for one reason or another. When Chris found out, he flipped out and killed her. And after a day to think it over, himself, too.


wow...that's a good one. I like that version better.

whatever it is, it probably could have been avoided.

[Wayne Meyer]

This is a really sad and tragic story. I watched part of the tribute to Benoit last night on RAW and I feel the WWE was in a no win situation.

By having the tribute people will wonder why is the WWE celebrating someone who just (aledgedly) killed members of his family? If the WWE would have went on like business as usual people would call them insensitive and intrested in there bottom line.

Aside from this mark my words in the upcoming days the media will jump on the: "Roid Rage" band wagon once again. Blaming this tragedy on booze, being away from home and of course steriods.

Not trying or intrested in the least about creating a debate on this issue just making a point then when tragedy occurs in athletics such as this the media always looks for things and events to blame. Never holding the individual accountable.

Will have to wait for the facts to come out as to what really took place.

[Chris Mathison]

when tragedy occurs in athletics such as this the media always looks for things and events to blame. Never holding the individual accountable.

.
Agreed. the media is gonna have a blast blaming everything else.. and so the general public goes along and just absorbs what they hear and not thinking for themselves.

[Jonathan Creason]

Just heard on espn radio that he strangled his wife on Saturday, suffocated his son on Sunday, and then hung himself Monday. Sick, absolutely sick.

[DaneGarreau]

Yikes, this was just a few minutes up the road from my house. Very traggic. I used to watch him wrestle when I was a kid.

[Mac Smith]

I got this off another website. Sounds unbelievable but who knows in this case. Either way, this is way too sad!

"This is one persons report from TMZ, so it could be false considering the source.......... An officer with GBI (Georgia Bureau of Investigations) has heard in his circle is that Chris Benoit's wife killed their son Daniel, called Chris and told him to rush home because of an emergency which is why he missed last Sunday's Vengeance PPV. Upon arriving home Benoit killed his wife in a rage for the death of his son and then killed himself Monday morning. His wife's body was found in the master bedroom, strangled with the cord from an alarm clock. The son's body was found in his room appearantly suffocated with a garbage bag. Chris then wrote a suicide note explaining what had happened, apologized to his family, his other children (from a seperate relationship), and his fans. He the fashioned a slip-knot noose from from rope taken from the garage and hung himself from the ballaster in the foyer of his suburban Atlanta home. "


Cnn is reporting that Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his son, then hung himself. But we will just have to see what unfolds in the next couple days. Either way, 'roid rage', pain meds, and the 'lifestyle' will be blamed.

[Anthony Cissell]

TMZ has learned more about the deaths of WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later. Investigators refuse to officially comment, pending final confirmation by the coroner on the cause and time of the deaths.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

A police investigation is ongoing.

[Jared Enderton]

wow. I just want to know the real dang story!!

[Kevin Cronin]

Wow. Well, i would say it makes a pretty big difference whether the wife killed the son and then benoit killed her, or if benoit killed both of them.

Either way tho, this is a sick, sick world in which we live.

[Eric Johnson]

......Either way, 'roid rage', pain meds, and the 'lifestyle' will be blamed.

Then what do you blame? No sane/normal person would do something like that. I have been so pissed off before that I couldn't see straight, but killing a person never entered my mind. So I can't see how you could do that without your mind being in some chemical imbalance or altered by a chemical.

[AaRoNSnider]

Wow. Well, i would say it makes a pretty big difference whether the wife killed the son and then benoit killed her, or if benoit killed both of them.
Either way tho, this is a sick, sick world in which we live.

I second that.What bad news.

Then what do you blame? No sane/normal person would do something like that. I have been so pissed off before that I couldn't see straight, but killing a person never entered my mind. So I can't see how you could do that without your mind being in some chemical imbalance or altered by a chemical.
IMO it all comes down to self control with anyone.I too have been very angry before...to the point that my whole body was shaking so much that I probably couldnt have physically reacted no matter what.I have been very ungry/upset when drinking alot(stupid),but even if I could barely walk or talk,I knew better than to do anything that could end up hurting me or someone else.Maybe Im wrong,but Ive never bought into the excuse that drugs and alcohol force peopel to do things.It may influence,but I honestly dont think that anything has the ability to posses someone and physically force them to hurt someone else.

[Mac Smith]

Andre Waters, Mike Webster, Justin Styznyk (sp?), and several other professional football players committed suicide because of past brain injuries/trauma. I wasn't debating the fact that something like depression or past head trauma, or other drugs could have been the culprit, but from what I've gathered from news reports all day, they are attempting to draw a correlation between the deaths and steroid use, that is what I have issue with. I'm watching the CNN news conference right now and most of the questions revolves around steroids.

[Eric Johnson]

Andre Waters, Mike Webster, Justin Styznyk (sp?), and several other professional football players committed suicide because of past brain injuries/trauma. I wasn't debating the fact that something like depression or past head trauma, or other drugs could have been the culprit, but from what I've gathered from news reports all day, they are attempting to draw a correlation between the deaths and steroid use, that is what I have issue with. I'm watching the CNN news conference right now and most of the questions revolves around steroids.

Gotcha ;).

[Arnell Castillo]

Andre Waters, Mike Webster, Justin Styznyk (sp?), and several other professional football players committed suicide because of past brain injuries/trauma. I wasn't debating the fact that something like depression or past head trauma, or other drugs could have been the culprit, but from what I've gathered from news reports all day, they are attempting to draw a correlation between the deaths and steroid use, that is what I have issue with. I'm watching the CNN news conference right now and most of the questions revolves around steroids.
I HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM WITH THIS TOO.THEY KEEP BRINGING IT UP ! FREAKIN MEDIA BULL ---T.

[ADAMBAUER]

Why is it that is the first thing the media goes for when a professional athlete does somthing awful? Aren't they humans with human failings? Are they not subjected to the demands of public life? I am not saying poor stars but when somthing like this happens the media fixates on the stereotypical theory. Benoit made his living by flying of the top rope and head buting people, granted it is "fake" but years of abusing ones body like that can leave people with serious cerebral damage. Look at the former NFL players that have died or suffered from cerebral damage from their years in the game. Many have lost their sense of smell and taste and there vison and mood has become unstable. There are others on this board that can expound on the damages that these injures can do to the personality of a person. I guess what I am saying is why when there is so many other possibilties do they focus on the most stereotypical? :confused:

[Billy Wolt]

Why is it that is the first thing the media goes for when a professional athlete does somthing awful? Aren't they humans with human failings? Are they not subjected to the demands of public life? I am not saying poor stars but when somthing like this happens the media fixates on the stereotypical theory. Benoit made his living by flying of the top rope and head buting people, granted it is "fake" but years of abusing ones body like that can leave people with serious cerebral damage. Look at the former NFL players that have died or suffered from cerebral damage from their years in the game. Many have lost their sense of smell and taste and there vison and mood has become unstable. There are others on this board that can expound on the damages that these injures can do to the personality of a person. I guess what I am saying is why when there is so many other possibilties do they focus on the most stereotypical? :confused:


they don't call it "roid rage" for no reason...so obviously that will be the first thing that comes up.

[chrisklavette]

I HAVE A HUGE &%$#ING PROBLEM WITH THIS TOO.THEY KEEP BRINGING IT UP ! FREAKIN MEDIA BULL ---T.
It's not just with athletes. The media loves to spin everything. An athlete kills someone and all they talk about is a possible drug abuse scandal, a nut job shoots up a school and the guns are to blame, a terrorist cell is successful with their plans and we are to blame our president and international relations. This is how they keep selling the same story for weeks at a time. Every news story gets spun and it is worse and worse each and everytime.

[Arnell Castillo]

It's not just with athletes. The media loves to spin everything. An athlete kills someone and all they talk about is a possible drug abuse scandal, a nut job shoots up a school and the guns are to blame, a terrorist cell is successful with their plans and we are to blame our president and international relations. This is how they keep selling the same story for weeks at a time. Every news story gets spun and it is worse and worse each and everytime.
yeah man i know . it's like the whole columbine thing. they blamed alot of it on marilyn manson and other crap but did they once look at the parents or the kids themselves. " blame the devil for the things that you do , but it's nobodies fault but your own " point that finger somwhere else as long as it doesn't come back around pointing in the right direction. flippin lame . ok my ranting is over .

[Jeff King]

You know what? Here it is getting down to the basics....
HE STRANGLED HIS WIFE AND KILLED HIS KID!
And they go and give him a 3 hour tribute??????? WTF??? and all the internet is talking about what a great athlete he was and champion????
He murdered his family!
That kinda undoes everything else.

If you're going to mourn or tribute to somebody what about them?
-JEFF

[ADAMBAUER]

Article on WWE.com
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitpressrelease

[WesleyInman]

Here they are blaming gear already for the situation...I find it ridiculous people can be this ignorant.

FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. -- Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself with the pulley of a weightlifting machine, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators found prescription anabolic steroids in the house and want to know whether the muscle man was unhinged by the drugs, which can cause paranoia, depression and explosive outbursts known as "roid rage."

[Mike Kautz]

You know what? Here it is getting down to the basics....
HE STRANGLED HIS WIFE AND KILLED HIS KID!
And they go and give him a 3 hour tribute??????? WTF??? and all the internet is talking about what a great athlete he was and champion????
He murdered his family!
That kinda undoes everything else.

If you're going to mourn or tribute to somebody what about them?
-JEFF

I agree w/ you bro........A tribute, montage, or any other form of recognition of this waste of a man is pathetic! Some on T.V. were calling this man a "hero" and a "legend", that is laughable. All he is and was is a murderer and a idiot. The "MAN" killed a 7 year old innocent little kid. Champion of what, a soap opera fake sport! I always hated the WWE/WWF anyway, but now they are really a joke! Also, to blame a chemical imbalance "Roid Rage" as a scapegoat to killing a kid, doesn't hold much weight with me!

[Scott Porter]

This guy must be the ONLY steroid user with a wife and kid, otherwise this crazy "roid rage" killings would be happening all over the country.

:confused:

[JustinHulick]

I am watching ECW now and Mr. McMahon announced that now that they know he definitely killed his family Mr. Benoit's name will not be mentioned on the show. Before i knew what happened i felt for him and his family, however he is a murderer and IMHO he deserves to be where he is...6 feet under.

My prayers do however go out to his wife and son and the rest of their family.

[Mike Landrich]

This guy must be the ONLY steroid user with a wife and kid, otherwise this crazy "roid rage" killings would be happening all over the country.

:confused:


The evidence proves that only roid rage kills people, since there are no skinny or out of shape murderers. Douchebags................

[JustinHulick]

The evidence proves that only roid rage kills people, since there are no skinny or out of shape murderers. Douchebags................
It's amazing how many ignorant people there are out there isn't it?

[Mike Landrich]

It's amazing how many ignorant people there are out there isn't it?


Yes it is. IMHO roid rage is a BS excuse for guys who are already A-holes to act like like A-holes, without admitting even to themselves that they are the problem. "The juice made me do it"

[JustinHulick]

Yes it is. IMHO roid rage is a BS excuse for guys who are already A-holes to act like like A-holes, without admitting even to themselves that they are the problem. "The juice made me do it"
I agree. Not only that, but not to make a joke, the angriest people i know aren't on steroids.

[James Whisman]

With the currant time line being releases there is no way this killing was "Roid Rage". He kiled his wife Fri night/Sat morning. Watched the PPV Sat night, they believe he watched it with his son. Then killed his son Sat night/ Sun morning. Then himself 12-24 hours later. This was not a rage killing. It sounds more like depression (Andrea Yates type stuff).

And...

For the second time when the tribute aired it was not known to be a murder/suicide.

[JustinHulick]

With the currant time line being releases there is no way this killing was "Roid Rage". He kiled his wife Fri night/Sat morning. Watched the PPV Sat night, they believe he watched it with his son. Then killed his son Sat night/ Sun morning. Then himself 12-24 hours later. This was not a rage killing. It sounds more like depression (Andrea Yates type stuff).

And...

For the second time when the tribute aired it was not known to be a murder/suicide.
Exactly, at the time they did not know the entire truth. As i said earlier, now that they know the true details of this tragedy, Chris Benoit will not be honored by the WWE.

[Derek Williams]

With the currant time line being releases there is no way this killing was "Roid Rage". He kiled his wife Fri night/Sat morning. Watched the PPV Sat night, they believe he watched it with his son. Then killed his son Sat night/ Sun morning. Then himself 12-24 hours later. This was not a rage killing. It sounds more like depression (Andrea Yates type stuff).

And...

For the second time when the tribute aired it was not known to be a murder/suicide.

I totally agree.

With this being the case, I was wondering if he was also on antidepressants. They really mess with your neurotransmitter levels and can definitely cause psychosis. Look at the Columbine murderers (they were on antidepressants) as were many other murderers and especially teens who commit suicide. Neurotransmitters are very powerful. An imbalance in them will really make someone wig out completely. I am very interested to see if he was on them. If he was, I bet they will still blame it on the steroids. But in reality, steroids can also alter neurotransmitter levels, although not as powerfully as antidepressants.

[JustinHulick]

It drives me insane how many people say it's roid rage and all this. I am not saying he wasn't on something, however the evidence clearly seems to say that it was thought out, and not a spur of the moment "rage" incident.

[Jay O'Neill]

I totally agree.

With this being the case, I was wondering if he was also on antidepressants. They really mess with your neurotransmitter levels and can definitely cause psychosis. Look at the Columbine murderers (they were on antidepressants) as were many other murderers and especially teens who commit suicide. Neurotransmitters are very powerful. An imbalance in them will really make someone wig out completely. I am very interested to see if he was on them. If he was, I bet they will still blame it on the steroids. But in reality, steroids can also alter neurotransmitter levels, although not as powerfully as antidepressants.

Stop sputtering Bullcrap....You have no idea what you are talking about. MOst people that are on Antidepressants who commit suicide are depressed when they are placed on them and don't have the energy to carry out a suicide. They get on Serotonin reuptake inhibitors and and they get out of their "funk" and carry out a suicide plan. This is why we monitor or at least I monitor my patinents for the first 2 weeks and every month for for the first 6 months.
If roids are the answer we should check all murderers for roid use i guess...

[Jonathan Creason]

Bottom line, the man was a piece of crap. Stop and think for one minute what was going through his kid's mind when he realized his own dad was slowly taking his life. Can you imagine the heartbreak that kid felt? I don't care what you're on, or what physical condition you're in, somewhere in the back of your mind you have to realize an action like that is just wrong.

[srojv]

The way I look at it is if you want to kill your family the first step is to take a gun put it to your own head blow your head off if you live then you can kill anyone you want. I don't care what kind of drugs you are on may it be steriods or others you kill a child may you rot in HELL.

[chrisklavette]

If roids are the answer we should check all murderers for roid use i guess...
If gear causes people to flip out then why don't we see more violent acts caused by male models or male actors?

[Billy Wolt]

why does anyone care what they are blaming it on?

the police found stuff, and are looking into it. Had they said they found bottles of anti-depressants, i'm sure they would look into that as well.

[Wayne Meyer]

I hate to be a: I told ya so, but I told ya so". The Today show led there program with: "Roid Rage" regarding Chris Benoit. Here is the link I am refering to: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19424899/

An angle I have not yet heard explored is Benoit placed Bibles in the rooms of his wife and son. If we are to blame the gas for these deaths, shall we blame the Bible as well?

[CHANTZWILSON]

I don't think it matters what he was on or what was going through his mind. My prayers go out to his family and his other children who have to really live through this difficult time.

[Chris Mathison]

If gear causes people to flip out then why don't we see more violent acts caused by male models or male actors?
I resent that.. im a male model and I dont use gear.

[Derek Williams]

Stop sputtering Bullcrap....You have no idea what you are talking about. MOst people that are on Antidepressants who commit suicide are depressed when they are placed on them and don't have the energy to carry out a suicide. They get on Serotonin reuptake inhibitors and and they get out of their "funk" and carry out a suicide plan. This is why we monitor or at least I monitor my patinents for the first 2 weeks and every month for for the first 6 months.
If roids are the answer we should check all murderers for roid use i guess...

Jay, what do you mean I don't know what I am talking about? I never said that roids are the answer. I said (or at least implied) in my earlier post that I agree, that it WASN'T roid rage that caused this, because it was a deliberate act. I thought that IF a drug was involved, it was probably more likely to be antidepressants. And there have been MANY murders and suicides linked to antidepressant use. So, I don't think that what I wrote was "bullcrap". I am also a second year acupuncture student, who has studied pharmaceuticals and their effects as part of my education, and my wife is a pharmacist, so I am not totally devoid of medical or pharmaceutical knowlege.

So, are you a doctor?

I do not believe that roid use caused this, and the truth is that none of us know for sure what caused this. I am still blown away that this even happened. Even Benoit's co-workers that have commented on it cannot believe he did this. Your rude response to my post was uncalled for, and not well thought out.

Here is a link to an article about antidepressant use and mayhem:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/7/2/181622.shtml

and another:

http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371/journal.pmed.0030372

and another: http://www.laleva.org/eng/2004/08/depressed_over_prozac_antidepressants_dangerous_an d_should_be_banned_crusader_says.html

So, there IS a definite link, IMHO to antidepressants and murder / suicide / mayhem.

Sputtering bullcrap??? I think not. Do your research first, before accusing someone else of not knowing what they are talking about. Besides, I said that I thought that antidepressants could be involved, not that they definitely were. But it wouldn't surprise me if he was on them.

I was mainly just trying to figure out what would make this seemingly, by all accounts, formerly solid citizen go nuts and kill his family and himself. It just didn't make sense to me is all.

There is no good reason to go verbally attacking others who put forth alternative theories to the ones offered by the mainstream press, especially when nobody has (yet) looked into the possibility of antidepressant use as a possible reason for this senseless crime.

[Josh Kamins]

I think the problem is that you make the link between antidepressants and psychosis which as far as I've heard there is no scientific link between those. The articles you linked to are not really reliable or peer reviewed except for the 2nd, but the problem is that it is an epidemiological or correlation study rather than a controlled experiment.

There are links between antidepressants and suicide, but as the doc says, I really don't think it is caused by the changes made by the drug but rather they are finally able to have emotions and carry out plans whereas they couldn't when they were highly depressed.

[Derek Williams]

I think the problem is that you make the link between antidepressants and psychosis which as far as I've heard there is no scientific link between those. The articles you linked to are not really reliable or peer reviewed except for the 2nd, but the problem is that it is an epidemiological or correlation study rather than a controlled experiment.

There are links between antidepressants and suicide, but as the doc says, I really don't think it is caused by the changes made by the drug but rather they are finally able to have emotions and carry out plans whereas they couldn't when they were highly depressed.

I hear ya there, Josh. But as far as "real scientific links" go, when a product that is produced by the very same industry that has the "monopoly" on "scientific studies" such as the pharmaceutical industry, is called into question, of course they are going to do everything possible to protect their "cash cow". I believe that these drugs are extremely dangerous and the last people in the world who would want to admit this (or do studies to prove this) are those who profit from their sales.

I do not believe that the majority of patients who take them are going to flip out and kill people, but I do believe that they are very dangerous and that certain individuals who have these tendencies already are probably sent "over the edge" by these drugs. The problem is that way too many people who have killed people for no other apparent reason have been on these drugs, and even though maybe there is yet no "real scientific link" between these drugs and murder / mayhem / suicide, there is definitely enough of a correlation in my mind to consider it as a real trigger of these events. It may take 10 or 20 years before this is finally proven or disproven scientifically, but, there is definitely a reason for concern with as many cases of murder / mayhem being tied to these drugs as there are. And the FDA is overrun with doctors who have financial ties to pharmaceutical companies, and therefore, conflicts of interest. Drugs are approved and then later they are pulled from the market because of safety problems becoming apparent after they are brought to market. Vioxx and Phen / Fen are two examples of this.

I just got kind of hot at the way Jay answered me in such a disrespectful manner, whether he is a doctor or not. Even though I disagree with him on this issue, I did not disrespectfully accuse him of "spouting bullcrap", or not knowing what he is talking about, as he did me. I have always treated other members of this message board with total respect, and I would just like to receive the same in return, even when other members may disagree with my opinion, and even if said member is a doctor.

[Anthony Cissell]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/27/wrestler/

This explains a lot...

[Jay O'Neill]

Derek Quote: Jay, what do you mean I don't know what I am talking about? I never said that roids are the answer. I said (or at least implied) in my earlier post that I agree, that it WASN'T roid rage that caused this, because it was a deliberate act. I thought that IF a drug was involved, it was probably more likely to be antidepressants. And there have been MANY murders and suicides linked to antidepressant use. So, I don't think that what I wrote was "bullcrap". I am also a second year acupuncture student, who has studied pharmaceuticals and their effects as part of my education, and my wife is a pharmacist, so I am not totally devoid of medical or pharmaceutical knowlege.

You are a second year accupuncture student... well that equates to what? 4 years of medical school... 10 years of practicing medicine... I don't even think I would admit that had I been you....

I do not believe that roid use caused this, and the truth is that none of us know for sure what caused this. I am still blown away that this even happened. Even Benoit's co-workers that have commented on it cannot believe he did this. Your rude response to my post was uncalled for, and not well thought out.

I was terse not rude.... and it is people with enough knowledge to be dangerous... such as yourself, that start rumors and panic, because people think you know what you are talking about, when in fact you really don't.

[Anthony Cissell]

http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/story?section=sports&id=5427627

[Derek Williams]

Derek Quote: Jay, what do you mean I don't know what I am talking about? I never said that roids are the answer. I said (or at least implied) in my earlier post that I agree, that it WASN'T roid rage that caused this, because it was a deliberate act. I thought that IF a drug was involved, it was probably more likely to be antidepressants. And there have been MANY murders and suicides linked to antidepressant use. So, I don't think that what I wrote was "bullcrap". I am also a second year acupuncture student, who has studied pharmaceuticals and their effects as part of my education, and my wife is a pharmacist, so I am not totally devoid of medical or pharmaceutical knowlege.

You a second year accupuncture student... well that equates to what? 4 years of medical school... 10 years of practicing medicine... I don't even think I would admit that had I been you....

Here again is more of a condescending attitude from you. I have not responded to you in kind, I only posted articles and facts to back up my opinion of a possible alternative cause of this tragedy. And you did not address the articles or evidence I presented, which cannot be refuted, you only attacked me personally for not having graduated yet and / or not being an MD. Typical behavior of someone who is extremely insecure and incapable of intelligent debate.

I do not believe that roid use caused this, and the truth is that none of us know for sure what caused this. I am still blown away that this even happened. Even Benoit's co-workers that have commented on it cannot believe he did this. Your rude response to my post was uncalled for, and not well thought out.

I was terse not rude.... and it is people with enough knowledge to be dangerous... such as yourself, that start rumors and panic, because people think you know what you are talking about, when in fact you really don't.

Looks like, according to the articles I posted, that I am not the only one that holds these same opinions, and there does seem to be some evidence to back mine up. If I don't know what I am talking about, then why are there many, many cases of murder and mayhem that have ties to antidepressant use?? (Come to think of it, there are some cases of murder that can be tied to steroids as well.) Two in the bodybuilding world come to mind.

I backed up my opinions with articles posted that support my point of view. You have not supported your point of view with any scientific evidence or sources whatsoever, you only attacked me personally with insinuations that I don't know what I am talking about and put me down for not being an MD. MD's aren't gods, and many in the public resent MD's for just that kind of attitude. Most patients that leave conventional medicine for alternative medicine do so for that reason. Many in the public actually resent bodybuilders and other big guys and athletes for this same condescending attitude towards others as well. Get off your high horse dude. Your huge arms or your MD degree (if you have one) don't make you a God. I respect people based on the assumption that they are decent people. Not because they think they know it all.

Hey look man I was not looking to start a flame war on here with you. I was simply stating my opinion, and you came off at me as very disrepectful and rude, at least how I saw it. How would you feel if I had addressed you in the "terse" manner that you addressed me in? I imagine you would be looking to take my head off over it.

I would just as soon squash this silly thing right now... Just know that I was not the one being "terse" as you put it, or rude, as I put it. If you are a medical professional, then fine. (Are you? - you never did really answer this question.)

As far as me only being an acupuncture student and not an MD...I admit what I am and what experience I have. I am proud of what I am and not ashamed of it. It is also pretty commonly known that alternative medicine practitioners are not fond of pharmaceutical drugs or their side effects, which are many and dangerous. That is WHY there is alternative medicine in the first place, because many in the public have already gone to MD's and not been satisfied with the results (myself included), or have been harmed by dangerous pharmaceuticals, or have gotten tired of paying for them and not getting better (myself included). It's simply the free market at work. Most of our patients in my school clinic come to us only after going to MD's and not getting satisfactory results. Oftentimes, we get them well or at least significantly better than they were before they came to us.

And as far as Benoit and the antidepressants go, I thought that he may have been on them because of the relatively recent death of his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, and the hectic travel schedule that wrestlers keep, which keeps them away from home for long periods of time. These two factors alone are enough to depress anyone. We will see if he was indeed on them after the toxicology reports are released.

I am being an adult about this and as far as I am concerned, I am done with it. I am willing to squash this without any further accusations or rudeness. We can agree to disagree on this matter if you wish, but I invite you to be an adult about this also and squash it and make peace with me. I don't want any enemies on this board. This is one of the few decent boards on the net that is peaceful and full of good people. Let's not spoil it.

[Josh Kamins]

The reason that your statements probably pissed him off and kinda does the same to me, is that by making blanket statements like "depressants can cause murder, suicide, and mayhem" may discourage many people who could benefit or have their lives saved by SSRIs or other psych. drugs. There is enough stigma already without making these statements to scare people away from going to the doc when they need help.

Any drug can cause damage if not watched or prescribed by a knowledgeable doctor, but your needles can do a lot of harm if some dude just starts sticking them into a patient without any education also.

[Nicolette L.]

The bottom line is that nothing caused him to do this horrid act besides a defect between his ears. Lets stop blaming outside sources and start taking responsibility. We all make choices that we need to be responsible for. A drunk driver may be to intoxicated to make a reasonable decision about driving ..... but he did not have to pick up the first drink. We are always finding excuses. That is sickening. The guy killed his family... NO EXCUSES.

[Josh Kamins]

Thats fine in an ideal world, doesn't mean we can't try to figure out what contributed to this so that we can prevent it from happening at a future date.

[Jay O'Neill]

Looks like, according to the articles I posted, that I am not the only one that holds these same opinions, and there does seem to be some evidence to back mine up. If I don't know what I am talking about, then why are there many, many cases of murder and mayhem that have ties to antidepressant use?? (Come to think of it, there are some cases of murder that can be tied to steroids as well.) Two in the bodybuilding world come to mind.

Your articles were not contrived from factual studies... if there were any validity to them... all SSRI's would be pulled off the market. Look at Vioxx... a couple people have heart problems and they shut down the whole operation.. anyone can do a GOOGLE and back up their lame points... you just proved it...

I backed up my opinions with articles posted that support my point of view. You have not supported your point of view with any scientific evidence or sources whatsoever, you only attacked me personally with insinuations that I don't know what I am talking about and put me down for not being an MD. MD's aren't gods, and many in the public resent MD's for just that kind of attitude. Most patients that leave conventional medicine for alternative medicine do so for that reason. Many in the public actually resent bodybuilders and other big guys and athletes for this same condescending attitude towards others as well. Get off your high horse dude. Your huge arms or your MD degree (if you have one) don't make you a God. I respect people based on the assumption that they are decent people. Not because they think they know it all.

Good point... but if you seek alternative medicine and you have cancer or are misdiagnosed and your cancer progresses because you were on a steady diet of herbs and black snake root while getting accupuncture... you will need to come and see me or one of my High horse colleagues... but by then it will be too late... and I kinda like my huge arms...and take that as a compliment.

Hey look man I was not looking to start a flame war on here with you. I was simply stating my opinion, and you came off at me as very disrepectful and rude, at least how I saw it. How would you feel if I had addressed you in the "terse" manner that you addressed me in? I imagine you would be looking to take my head off over it.

Yes and if you were angered... so be it... my point had to be made that you cannot come here and make blanket statements about meds that are used everyday....and work well... I have 100's of women and men on SSRI's and none of them has tried to Kill their spouse or kids...

I would just as soon squash this silly thing right now... Just know that I was not the one being "terse" as you put it, or rude, as I put it. If you are a medical professional, then fine. (Are you? - you never did really answer this question.)

Yes I am.... but I am not wavin the flag under your nose... I do my job with passion and am proud that peole come to me in their hours of need when they are sick or depressed and I like to help out members of this board as well and have done so many times over PM's... I appreciate it. COnsider it squashed.

As far as me only being an acupuncture student and not an MD...I admit what I am and what experience I have. I am proud of what I am and not ashamed of it. It is also pretty commonly known that alternative medicine practitioners are not fond of pharmaceutical drugs or their side effects, which are many and dangerous.

PRIME EXAMPLE of why I was terse... you continue to make Blanket statements based on your alternative opinion...

That is WHY there is alternative medicine in the first place, because many in the public have already gone to MD's and not been satisfied with the results (myself included), or have been harmed by dangerous pharmaceuticals, or have gotten tired of paying for them and not getting better (myself included). It's simply the free market at work. Most of our patients in my school clinic come to us only after going to MD's and not getting satisfactory results. Oftentimes, we get them well or at least significantly better than they were before they came to us.

They don't get what they want or we don't tell them what they want to hear....

And as far as Benoit and the antidepressants go, I thought that he may have been on them because of the relatively recent death of his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, and the hectic travel schedule that wrestlers keep, which keeps them away from home for long periods of time. These two factors alone are enough to depress anyone. We will see if he was indeed on them after the toxicology reports are released.

I am being an adult about this and as far as I am concerned, I am done with it. I am willing to squash this without any further accusations or rudeness. We can agree to disagree on this matter if you wish, but I invite you to be an adult about this also and squash it and make peace with me. I don't want any enemies on this board. This is one of the few decent boards on the net that is peaceful and full of good people. Let's not spoil it.

I accept....

Josh Kamis writes: The reason that your statements probably pissed him off and kinda does the same to me, is that by making blanket statements like "depressants can cause murder, suicide, and mayhem" may discourage many people who could benefit or have their lives saved by SSRIs or other psych. drugs. There is enough stigma already without making these statements to scare people away from going to the doc when they need help.

Any drug can cause damage if not watched or prescribed by a knowledgeable doctor, but your needles can do a lot of harm if some dude just starts sticking them into a patient without any education also.

Josh You were right On... Thank you!!!

[Barney Shannon]

Then what do you blame? No sane/normal person would do something like that. I have been so pissed off before that I couldn't see straight, but killing a person never entered my mind. So I can't see how you could do that without your mind being in some chemical imbalance or altered by a chemical.

Maybe Chris Benoit was just an evil sob that is now burning in hell. I doubt that every murderer has some "chemical imbalance". Yep .. my faith teaches me that there is a thing called evil in this world.

[Derek Williams]

I appreciate it. COnsider it squashed.

I consider it squashed as well. And I apologize for my part in this unpleasant exchange if it has upset you or any other members.

[Kevin Cronin]

Well, in a weird twist, apparently Benoits wikipedia page was edited to say that he had missed a ppv because of his wife's death ... 14 hours BEFORE authorities knew they were dead. It's not clear who (and the article says it came from an IP address in stamford, CT, NOT atlanta, GA, so it likely was not Benoit himself) but apparently someone knew about the deaths prior to the authorities knowing and didnt report it

http://www.cnnaudience.com/reports/link.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsi.com%2F2007%2Fmore%2F0 6%2F28%2Fbc.wrestlerdead.ap%2Findex.html%3Feref%3D sixtra_newsletter&list=sixtra&date=06292007

[Billy Wolt]

Well, in a weird twist, apparently Benoits wikipedia page was edited to say that he had missed a ppv because of his wife's death ... 14 hours BEFORE authorities knew they were dead. It's not clear who (and the article says it came from an IP address in stamford, CT, NOT atlanta, GA, so it likely was not Benoit himself) but apparently someone knew about the deaths prior to the authorities knowing and didnt report it

http://www.cnnaudience.com/reports/link.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsi.com%2F2007%2Fmore%2F0 6%2F28%2Fbc.wrestlerdead.ap%2Findex.html%3Feref%3D sixtra_newsletter&list=sixtra&date=06292007


apparently there was talk on the net about it...i guess some speculation and that's why someone changed the page.

[Chris Mathison]

It didnt have to come from Stamford, CT. Proxy servers are wonderful things.

[Jonathan Creason]

Update (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/29/wrestler.ap/index.html)

Seems the guy that updated the Wiki entry was just going on rumors.

[Mac Smith]

No one in the media or elsewhere has discussed the possibility that Benoit suffers from traumatic brain injury caused by multiple concussion syndrome. It's the same condition that has caused many former football players recently to commit suicide. As a sufferer of this condition myself, I've experienced first hand the suicidal thoughts, the extreme depression, the mood swings, etc. I've only spoken about this to the other mods and one other person on this forum, but in light of recent events, I feel it's necessary to discuss it. Antidepressants could not have help him. These injuries are permanent brain damage that result in the degeneration of a person. Some are more extreme than others. I don't know if Benoit suffered from this, but I would love to see the results of autopsy, especially if they dissected his brain. I can almost guarantee that TBI caused his irrationality. Believe me when I tell you, some days are better than others and if you listen to stories by others with this problem, you will hear some crazy things.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning what Benoit did. I have not experienced thoughts of killing my family members, but I can tell you that during the down times, you would be amazed at the thoughts one in this situation do have. It's scary and at times you think there is nothing you can do. You do hear voices (mine has been my own), you do get the feelings of hopelessness and all you want is the voices and pain to go away.

[Josh Kamins]

I agree Mac, that is the more likely cause than drugs he may have taken. Between depression from that and perhaps his wife threatening to take away his son he probably snapped. Then he was left with a son who had Fragile X syndrome and he irrationally decided to end his misery and then his own...

[Eric Johnson]

Maybe Chris Benoit was just an evil sob that is now burning in hell. I doubt that every murderer has some "chemical imbalance". Yep .. my faith teaches me that there is a thing called evil in this world.

Could be, but I would think that if he was born evil then he would have done evil before now. With people we label as inherently evil, there is usually a pattern of abuse starting at a young age, usually to animals and progressing to people.

But I don't have any answers and my faith tells me all people are inherently good at birth, what happens after that, I don't know.

[Jesse Snadden]

Could be, but I would think that if he was born evil then he would have done evil before now. With people we label as inherently evil, there is usually a pattern of abuse starting at a young age, usually to animals and progressing to people.

He had been violent with his wife before.

These family annihilators almost always have no criminal records but they are possessive, jealous and violent towards spouses.

[Mac Smith]

Hey Jess,

How was the news received in Canada, since Benoit is Canadien?

[Kÿle Vezeau]

Hey Jess,

How was the news received in Canada, since Benoit is Canadien?

Same as elsewhere, except we add "And we he was Canadian" while retelling the story.

[Billy Wolt]

It didnt have to come from Stamford, CT. Proxy servers are wonderful things.

actually it did, wikipedia blocks proxy's traffic from editing.

[Kurtis Bowler]

Josh,
I don't know you and don't know if you intended it to sound this way. But your comment about being left with a son with Fragile X and ending his misery is pretty offensive.
My son has Fragile X also, which is why we are putting on a Strongman Contest to benefit research. While it can be difficult at times to raise a child with a disability I cherish every minute I get to spend with him. Casey is far from miserable, he is one of the happiest kids I know.
I usually stay out of these kind of debates, but this one hits too close to home for me to keep quite. Look into the disability a bit before you assume that since he was disabled he was also miserable.
Again, I don't know if this was intentional or not, but it got my blood boiling reading it.
Kurtis Bowler

[Mike Landrich]

Looks like, according to the articles I posted, that I am not the only one that holds these same opinions, and there does seem to be some evidence to back mine up. If I don't know what I am talking about, then why are there many, many cases of murder and mayhem that have ties to antidepressant use?? (Come to think of it, there are some cases of murder that can be tied to steroids as well.) Two in the bodybuilding world come to mind.


I have 1 question to ask. What evidence do you have that the antidepressants (or steroids) caused the behavior? Is it not possible that the type of individual who commits such crimes is also, by his very nature, drawn to those types of drugs? Is there evidence to prove that the possibility of murder increases with the use of these particular drugs?

It sounds to me like you are trying to connnect cause and effect without scientific data. "If I don't know what I am talking about, then why are there many, many cases of murder and mayhem that have ties to antidepressant use??" doesn't prove a thing. There are documented cases of murder over cheerleading (the case in Texas a few years back when the mother killed her daughter's rival for one). That doesn't prove cheerleading causes murder. It proves those inclined to murder will murder over small issues.

[Josh Kamins]

Josh,
I don't know you and don't know if you intended it to sound this way. But your comment about being left with a son with Fragile X and ending his misery is pretty offensive.
My son has Fragile X also, which is why we are putting on a Strongman Contest to benefit research. While it can be difficult at times to raise a child with a disability I cherish every minute I get to spend with him. Casey is far from miserable, he is one of the happiest kids I know.
I usually stay out of these kind of debates, but this one hits too close to home for me to keep quite. Look into the disability a bit before you assume that since he was disabled he was also miserable.
Again, I don't know if this was intentional or not, but it got my blood boiling reading it.
Kurtis Bowler

Oh man, I didn't mean for it to come off like that at all. I meant that it was probably his irrational thought due to his depression and perhaps psychosis at the time, not that it was true. I in no way meant that a disability equals misery. I myself do research in degenerative diseases and though I do not understand what its like to have a child with such a disease I....well I apologize truly, I really do.

[Kurtis Bowler]

Thanks Josh,
I figured that was the case, but I get pretty defensive with Casey.
Thanks again,
Kurtis

[Josh Kamins]

Thats completely fair, again I apologize

[DaneGarreau]

Not sure if anyone heard about this, but Federal DEA agents raided Benoit's Doctors office and mother's home on Friday. It was kinda cool becuase the Dr. Astin was living with his mother, whose property is literally butted up with my back yard. There were all kinds of camera crews and stuff out there on Friday and the whole town was going crazy. In true southern fashion my mom went out and watched from the road, lol.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-spw-wrestler29jun29,1,5632745.story?coll=la-headlines-sports

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13589422/detail.html

Dr. Astin is known around town as a very shady doctor, and he supposedly got his medical license from some central American country. Seems that the DEA is looking into him giving out prescription drugs without actually writing a prescription.

[Kÿle Vezeau]

Dane, in light of all that has happened that is really cool to have all that in your back yard.

[Mike Landrich]

Dr. Astin is known around town as a very shady doctor, and he supposedly got his medical license from some central American country. Seems that the DEA is looking into him giving out prescription drugs without actually writing a prescription.

NOW you tell us. Jeez, a little late isn't it?

[DaneGarreau]

NOW you tell us. Jeez, a little late isn't it?

Yea, Well, I had no idea Benoit was one of Dr. Astin's patients. Believe me, when I was little I would of waited over there all day to get an autograph, I used to be a huge Benoit fan.


I haven't heard anything new conserning the docter though; not sure what is going on.

[DaneGarreau]

Not sure if anyone is still following this but the toxicology reports came out yesterday.

Benoit had testosterone, antidepressants, and hydrocondone in his system. They said the amount of test in his system was 10 times the normal amount; and that it did not make him kill his family.

His son also had antidepressants in his system.

Dr. Astin is being held under house arrest right now. Not for the benoit case though; there is some other wrestler that died a year ago; Johnny Grunge or something like that. Dr. Astin was prescribing him Soma(muscle relaxer) and he had all kinds of preexisting conditions that would tell any competant doctor that soma is not good for him. Anyways, the dude was found dead with a empty bottle of soma next to him that was filled the day before.

[Adam Keep]

Not sure if anyone is still following this but the toxicology reports came out yesterday.

Benoit had testosterone, antidepressants, and hydrocondone in his system. They said the amount of test in his system was 10 times the normal amount; and that it did not make him kill his family.

His son also had antidepressants in his system.

Dr. Astin is being held under house arrest right now. Not for the benoit case though; there is some other wrestler that died a year ago; Johnny Grunge or something like that. Dr. Astin was prescribing him Soma(muscle relaxer) and he had all kinds of preexisting conditions that would tell any competant doctor that soma is not good for him. Anyways, the dude was found dead with a empty bottle of soma next to him that was filled the day before.


I'm glad that they put in that it wasn't the test that made him do it. There is already too much crap going around about how bad it is for you and that it "kills babies or funds terrorism". The media is way too hung up on that kind of stuff. Benoit killed his family because he is an absolute weirdo and had a ton of problems not because he happened to be taking anabolics.

[Mac Smith]

I'm glad that they put in that it wasn't the test that made him do it. There is already too much crap going around about how bad it is for you and that it "kills babies or funds terrorism". The media is way too hung up on that kind of stuff. Benoit killed his family because he is an absolute weirdo and had a ton of problems not because he happened to be taking anabolics.


Hilarious!!! :M:

[chrisklavette]

" babies fund terrorism"..
this is so true

[Dan Montague]

What a sham.

Anna Nicole Smith was loaded with prescription drugs that she recieved from her physician, sometimes with and sometimes without an actual prescription, and she overdosed and dies, not to mention the dozens of time she was out and about while high out of her mind.

Wasn't Al Gore's son just found with enough prescription drugs to stock a pharmacy?

But they kick the door in on Benoit's doctor?

He might have had 10 times the test in his system, but, it was prescribed.

He might have had xanax, within a reasonable limit, but, it was also prescribed.

We don't know Benoit's history or why his doctor prescribed what he did. But, that's the way it's supposed to be. There are certain levels of confidentiality that are supposed to be respected.

Media is a piss-poor group of people these days, and everyone who blindly buys into this shiat only hurts it.

I mean, we have athletes in front of the Supreme Court, for God's sake. Athletes, people that hit balls with bats, are testifying for drugs?

There have been suspensions for steroids in football -when is their Supreme Court date?

There have been drug problems in cycling -when is their Supreme Court date?

Bett Farve has admitted to using loads of prescription pain killers to keep playing when he was banged up -I'd like the DEA to kick in his doctors door, please.

Government = full of retards.

Media = full of retards.

[Scott Markowitz]

Not that I disagree with your point, but I think you mean Congress, not the Supreme Court. SCOTUS pretty much only deals with testimony in transcript form.

[chrisklavette]

What a sham.

Government = full of retards.

Media = full of retards.
Finally something we all agree on.

[Dan Montague]

Not that I disagree with your point, but I think you mean Congress, not the Supreme Court. SCOTUS pretty much only deals with testimony in transcript form.

I think you're right.

For the record, I blame my mistake on pain killers.

[Josh Kamins]

All true, but nonetheless if a doctor is illegally prescribing drugs, what makes him better than a drug dealer on the street? I'm not disagreeing with you that this has become a media frenzy for no reason. However, if you are saying that the doctor should not be arrested I don't know if I agree. They aren't arresting him for Benoit's stuff, they are arresting him for prescribing narcotics and steroids without cause and also overprescribing and clearly breaking the Schedule laws of the drugs.

[Dan Montague]

All true, but nonetheless if a doctor is illegally prescribing drugs, what makes him better than a drug dealer on the street? I'm not disagreeing with you that this has become a media frenzy for no reason. However, if you are saying that the doctor should not be arrested I don't know if I agree. They aren't arresting him for Benoit's stuff, they are arresting him for prescribing narcotics and steroids without cause and also overprescribing and clearly breaking the Schedule laws of the drugs.

Who decides what is appropriate to prescribe and what is not?

Who interacts with patients to determine what prescription would be adequate and what prescription would not be?

The only way to determine if he was breaking the laws of scheduled drugs would be to investigate every personal health history of his patients and review every personal prescriptions given to said patients.

I haven't done that, have you?

I only know what the media has shared, and, we all know they do a piss-poor and often bias job when it comes to correctly reporting facts. So, I'm going to need to be convinced before I side with anyone, really.

[Jay O'Neill]

Not sure if anyone is still following this but the toxicology reports came out yesterday.

Benoit had testosterone, antidepressants, and hydrocondone in his system. They said the amount of test in his system was 10 times the normal amount; and that it did not make him kill his family.

His son also had antidepressants in his system.

Dr. Astin is being held under house arrest right now. Not for the benoit case though; there is some other wrestler that died a year ago; Johnny Grunge or something like that. Dr. Astin was prescribing him Soma(muscle relaxer) and he had all kinds of preexisting conditions that would tell any competant doctor that soma is not good for him. Anyways, the dude was found dead with a empty bottle of soma next to him that was filled the day before.

This is called suicide by overdose.... Not the Doctors fault. Patients can and will be idiots. If his name was Johhny Grunge... well not to hard to figure out.

[Jay O'Neill]

All true, but nonetheless if a doctor is illegally prescribing drugs, what makes him better than a drug dealer on the street? I'm not disagreeing with you that this has become a media frenzy for no reason. However, if you are saying that the doctor should not be arrested I don't know if I agree. They aren't arresting him for Benoit's stuff, they are arresting him for prescribing narcotics and steroids without cause and also overprescribing and clearly breaking the Schedule laws of the drugs.

Illegally prescribing steroids... well lets see... He has a legitimate Doctors License to practice medicine and if he is like me he has a DEA Number which allows him to Prescribe medications. Controlled substances such as Testosterone, Vicoden for pain, Muscle relaxers. Nothing illegal about that. Ethics dictate we don't prescribe medications to patients that don't need them... But if I draw a testosterone level on Benoit and it is low.. he rates testosterone. I doubt his only source was this one Doctor.

This is what seperates him from a drug dealer on the street... a drug dealer does not have a license to pracice medicine... or a DEA number... well maybe a DEA number to track their illegal activity.

[DaneGarreau]

This is called suicide by overdose.... Not the Doctors fault. Patients can and will be idiots. If his name was Johhny Grunge... well not to hard to figure out.

Like I said; Grunge had several preexisting medical conditions that should have prevented Dr. Astin from prescribing the drugs; Something like an enlarged heart, sleep apnea and a few other things.

I do agree that it is still mainly Grunge's own fault, but still.

[Josh Kamins]

Illegally prescribing steroids... well lets see... He has a legitimate Doctors License to practice medicine and if he is like me he has a DEA Number which allows him to Prescribe medications. Controlled substances such as Testosterone, Vicoden for pain, Muscle relaxers. Nothing illegal about that. Ethics dictate we don't prescribe medications to patients that don't need them... But if I draw a testosterone level on Benoit and it is low.. he rates testosterone. I doubt his only source was this one Doctor.

This is what seperates him from a drug dealer on the street... a drug dealer does not have a license to pracice medicine... or a DEA number... well maybe a DEA number to track their illegal activity.

I understand this, I was under the impression he actually broke laws like prescribing to a patient using multiple names, stuff like that. I'm not talking actually just prescribing drugs to the guy, and I'm not talking about Benoit, its the other patients that he's being arrested for.

[Jay O'Neill]

Like I said; Grunge had several preexisting medical conditions that should have prevented Dr. Astin from prescribing the drugs; Something like an enlarged heart, sleep apnea and a few other things.

I do agree that it is still mainly Grunge's own fault, but still.

Soma is a Muscle relaxer... not a good one, but a muscle relaxer.. It would not effect any of these medical conditions if taken as directed... However, if you take the entire bottle the result is death... as Mr Grunge found out.

[dronga]

Finally something we all agree on.
hopefully this works, i'm trying to put a pic in...


goverment =